Clan mottoes...

**Mike1** · 21st September 06, 05:26 PM

David, I hope you had a chance to read the posts about the amity shared between the Lamonts and the MacGregors, over on the other one. Doubtless one of the reasons for the White connection with the MacGregors.

Let me know if you did not see it and I will dig out a link for you.

**Panache** · 21st September 06, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Colin

...MacKenzie Clan mottos:
Luceo Non Uro - I shine, not burn...

Colin

Are the Mackenzies related to the Mcleods or I have I Googled wrongly?

Cheers

**MacWage** · 21st September 06, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Kilted KT

"Don't tread on me" has a long history in the US.

here is a link to one of it's more popular uses on a flag during the early years of US history.
http://www.foundingfathers.info/stories/gadsden.html

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Thanks for pointing that out to our international brethren.

If you notice, I put it inb a badge with a coiled snake on yellow (Like the flag)

O'Neill-> if you are looking to make a few custom badges, I think a "Calca Non" one would be a nice one!!! :rolleyes:

Thanks all, this is a great thread.

**Mike1** · 22nd September 06, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by Panache

Are the Mackenzies related to the Mcleods or I have I Googled wrongly?

I think you Googled wrongly.

The MacLeod of Harris motto is 'Hold Fast' and the MacLeod of Lewis motto is 'I Burn While I See'.

**David White** · 22nd September 06, 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by Mike1

David, I hope you had a chance to read the posts about the amity shared between the Lamonts and the MacGregors, over on the other one. Doubtless one of the reasons for the White connection with the MacGregors.

Let me know if you did not see it and I will dig out a link for you.

I must have missed it Mike!
I've always thought that the two clans were fairly cozy.

**Mike1** · 22nd September 06, 05:24 AM

Originally Posted by David White

I must have missed it Mike!
I've always thought that the two clans were fairly cozy.

There was good reason to be friendly to one another.

Check your PM's.

**turpin** · 22nd September 06, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew Green

Both the Gordon, and the Muir motto has been posted already.

BUT, I have also heard Bydand as being interpreted as "Standing Fast" from one of the Gordon video tapes I have.

Too bad Animo non Astutia isb;t on the badge, I rather like that one.

I also like to think that the translation of the Muir motto is fairly direct, but then again, it is a translation of Latin, I believe. Although I am still learning more about the Muir side of things...since this is newer information to me.

Although they have their own tartan, I have read that Muir is a sept of Gordon. Would Mure be an alternate spelling? I have Mures in my ancestry.

**turpin** · 22nd September 06, 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by MacWage

From my best memory, Mottos (what is put on clan badges and flags/banners) are based on the old war cries (even listed as such in some old books).

If that is the case, I'll go with "Stand Fast!" as the translation for the Gordon motto Bydand.

I just can't see rallying a wavering line in battle by yelling "Remain!", or "Abide!". Stand Fast as a translation goes better with the slogan "By Courage, Not Craft".

**Cawdorian** · 22nd September 06, 07:01 AM

Moore is also an alternate spelling of Muir or Mure.

**Colin** · 22nd September 06, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by Panache

Colin

Are the Mackenzies related to the Mcleods or I have I Googled wrongly?

Cheers

I have heard of a connection, but can't recall if it was a relation or a feud. I don't think there is a direct link other than the similarity or tartans (MacKenzie has the white strip, MacLeod has the yellow stripe). I could be completely off on that, but I haven't investigated it to deeply. I am only 50 pages into the 800+ page clan history