Velcro??

**Freelander Sporrano** · 15th November 06, 03:55 AM

I have a Bear kilt (Also a pv)which I use in the hills around my home quite a lot. As long as you close the velcro before you machine wash your kilt you'll have no problems .

With a kilt belt on no one will notice how it's fastened. It's all in the mind
Rocky wouldn't use it if he wasn't confidant with the quality of it

**RockyR** · 15th November 06, 06:05 AM

Thanks for all the positive words, guys!

The reason(s) we use velcro on our casuals is b/c it's got MUCH more flexability and is much easier for the first time kilt wearer. I've had that same question before : "Will it stay on?". I have no idea what type of intense grappling maneuvers people plan on DOING in a kilt (joking), but I can say with 99% certainty that it'll stay put, unless someone is INTENT on ripping it off of you. If you wear a belt with it, it'll DEFINITELY stay put... (there's a reason we put the belt loops by the outer edges of the front apron)

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask us (or all the other guys up here)!

**Riverkilt** · 15th November 06, 08:04 AM

I'm with Kilted Taper, I'm outside the top of the bell curve and SWK's set length doesn't fit me. Rocky and Kelly cut my casual kilt length at 21 1/2"

Don't own a SWK because of that....not sure I would. I fear acrylic more than velcro.

The polyviscose fabric in the USA Casual doesn't pill, has the teflon coating for sloppy eaters like me, and can be washed in the machine (gentle cycle of course) and hung dry. And, its difficult to wrinkle, and when I do just steam it out with the Gizmo.

Sound like a sales pitch? Just my experience owning ten USA Casuals. I went a year listening to the praise for USA Kilts casuals before I finally bought one to see what all the fuss was about...then I laid out my hard earned money for a bunch of them.

Check my gallery back on page 3 or so for pics if that helps you.

Ron

**cavscout** · 15th November 06, 08:13 AM

I think people don't realise that there are many different "strengths" of velcro. There is the cheap light weight stuff that sells for light duty decorative use on one end of the spectrum and then there is heavy duty military spec velcro found on scuba, mountain biking, and military combat gear and flight suits. The velcro on the USA kilts casuals is absolutely on the heavy duty end of the spectrum.

**Ialtog** · 15th November 06, 09:52 AM

Just wanted to chime in regarding the velcro thing. I've worn my USAK casual to two Celtic society events and at both I have had the same reaction from guys who own nothing but traditional tanks: "Wow, that's sharp." They look at it and realize it doesn't have straps and they get confused. They too equated velcro with "one size fits all". My USA kilt is fashioned for my body and the velcro holds a treat. I'd feel nervous about velcro too if the kilt was a one size fits all, but with these I don't think you'll have a problem. And the look is just spot on.

**Colin** · 15th November 06, 09:56 AM

I don't have a USA kilt, but I have a few from one of their competitors. While the kilt is custom made (unlike the stillwater), I do find that the velcro closures do not work as well as the ol' strap and buckle. The velcro closure does seem to stretch a bit throught the day, especially when sitting, and because the casual kilts usually sit on the hips, this slight pull (or stretch) paired with a belly pushing down the kilt a bit, seems to help the kilt slide down throughout the day. I have tried to remedy this with a belt, but the same thing happens. I just find I am pulling up my kilt alot during the day. This is why a traditional kilt sits higher up on the waist not the hips.

If you can deal with a little inconvienence like that, than the casuall suit you just fine, though the semi-traditional will have the best of both worlds....the look and fastening of a traditional kilt with the lightweight material and great workmanship that USA kilts is becoming well known for. The PV kilts certainly don't come off looking cheap.

Alternatively, for the price, try out a USA kilts causal and a Stillwater standard and see which company has the features you prefer. Both are well reputed for excellenct customer service.

Originally Posted by Riverkilt

The polyviscose fabric in the USA Casual doesn't pill

I'm going to have to disagree with you there a bit Ron. I have owned my 2 current PV kilts (one in the Marton Mills PV, one from another source) for coming on 3.5 years now. PV does pill, but it is easily taken care of by one of those lint remover thingamabobs. It's not as noticeable as with some fabrics, it simply makes the material appear abit more worn. I have only had to run the lint shaver over my kilts once or twice in the time I have owned them. It makes 'em look brand new.

**RockyR** · 15th November 06, 10:56 AM

I've thrown my PV kilts (semi trad and Casual) in the wash several hundred times and they haven't pilled yet. How old is your PV kilt? What tartan is it? If it's the Maple Leaf (or any "canadian tartan"), it's not made by the same company that does the "Low Pill™ fibre technology" thing that we use. MM is the only mill (to my knowledge) that does the Teflon or "anti pill" thing. There are several other mills that WEAVE PV, but DON'T coat it in Teflon or do the anit pill thingie. If it WAS MM that made the fabric, was it before (since the kilt is 3.5 yrs old) they started doing the Low Pill™ fibre technology thing?

Not sure whose kilt you're referring to about the velcro "stretching" throughout the day, but that's one complaint I can honestly say I've never heard before. Maybe the velcro isn't as "strong" as it should be.

**Colin** · 15th November 06, 11:01 AM

Rocky, the kilt that pills the most is the Canadian tartan one. The marton mills PV has behaved very well, but I have noticed the odd pill in worn spots. This may be due to the chain on the sporran (sorry Hamish) or rubbing of the belt. Not bad at all compared to the other, but it has happened. The Marton Mill stuff you guys use is heads and shoulders above the other PV sources I own. The Candian tartan kilt is about 3.5 years and the MM PV kilt is about 3 years old. It was when the manufactrer of my first few kilts (you know who it is) first started using them as a source. It is teflon coated though.

As for the velcro, as I said, I don't have one of your kilts, but the stuff my old kiltmaker uses is pretty thick and pretty strong stuff. It never came undone, but I found it would (or the fabric would) stretch a bit throughout the day the same as a pair of jeans would. You could pull the kilt as tight as you could first thing that morning, but during the day it could use a tightening or two to secure it. If someone wears the same jeans alot, they will find that the fabric stretches abit over time. From personal experience, I think this has to do more with where a kilt sits than the velcro, but I can only go by what kilts I own, and what I have experienced over the past few years with the PV kilts. If you guys haven't had anyone mention that, that's great, that is my biggest complaint about some of my older kilts.

I do reinforce that the velcro closures do give a kilt a nice clean appearance, and that they don't look cheap at all when they are made by companies that put time, effort, and care into their products.