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**Monkey@Arms** · 4th January 07, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dreadbelly

There is a Jewish tartan. I can't think of what the actual name is.

Its the secret tartan of the Clan De Stein . . . clandestine, secret, Stein, Jewish names, get it . . . ?

Yeah, OK maybe its not funny

Actually, I didn't make this bad pun(?) up, I actually heard or read it ages ago, refering to the tartan for a Jewish spy of that name, and I continuously await the opportunity to repeat it. Why, I don't know.

Best regards,

Jake

**kiltedcossack** · 4th January 07, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

Kidcossack, is your badge part of your arms, and are they registered with the Russian Heraldry Society?

Ah, no. It's simply my own design, and one I favor very much. To be honest, I didn't know there was a Russian Heraldry Society.
That having been said, I'll look into it, and I'm going to register my tartan and have some nice, box pleat kilts made from it for meself and me foine buckos in the clan (Clan Storm, that is).
Being of absolutely no noble blood whatsoe'er, I am dubious to say the least about having my badge registered anywhere, and I have no arms (Armigerously speaking, of course).

Clan de Stein, that's actually kind of funny.
Never heard of a Jewish Tartan either, but I'll look.

**M. A. C. Newsome** · 4th January 07, 06:19 PM

Now that I have found this thread, I know why Todd just PMed me asking if I had heard of a Jewish tartan. :-)

I have not seen a tartan meant just for Jewish people (though I could envision an "Israeli district tartan" designed in blue and white for the national flag). The closest thing I can find in the International Tartan Index is a tartan for a Jewish elementary school in New Jersey.

As for Russia, in my Compendium of District Tartans I write:

People from Russia may wish to wear the Gordon tartan in honor of the Scottish general Patrick Gordon (1635-99) who modernized the army of PEter the Great. Alternately, Russians may wish to wear the Barclay tartan in honor of Prince Mikhail Barclay de Tolly, a Russian field marshal of Scottish descent who commanded the Scottish forces against Napolean in 1812.

There is also a tartan called Muskova recorded in the ITI as No. 6360. This was designed by the late Bill Johnston here in the USA sometime around 1980, as a tartan for use by those of Russian descent. It's not in my CDT, because at the time of that writing, I could find absolutely no information about the tartan other than it's name. Since then the STA has obtained a thread count, and now it's in the ITI.

Another Russian tartan is Lermentov, designed by Brian Wilton (STA director) in 2004. It's No. 6493. This tartan was designed for the Russian descendents of George Lermont (a 'Scotch Knight') of Fife who emigrated to Russia in 1613 to serve as a military instructor to Tsar Mikhail Romanov.

Of course, you can also suggest that Russians wear the St. Andrews tartan, as St. Andrew is patron of both Scotland and Russia. Of course the St. Andrews tartan is, strictly speaking, a district tartan for the place in Scotland by that name, but you can stretch it's symbolism a bit, I think.

Aye,
Matt

**Dreadbelly** · 4th January 07, 06:20 PM

I remember reading about it in a book. I wish I could remember more. It was for Jewish Chaplains I believe.

Been trying all kinds of combos on google, having no luck.

Edit. I did find the RAChD and the fact that they have Jewish Chaplains for Jewish Scots, but no mention of the tartan. Bother, this is going to drive me mad.

I remember it because there was a beautiful Italian tartan on the same page.

**macwilkin** · 4th January 07, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Dreadbelly

I remember reading about it in a book. I wish I could remember more. It was for Jewish Chaplains I believe.

Been trying all kinds of combos on google, having no luck.

Edit. I did find the RAChD and the fact that they have Jewish Chaplains for Jewish Scots, but no mention of the tartan. Bother, this is going to drive me mad.

I remember it because there was a beautiful Italian tartan on the same page.

Army Chaplains in the British Army are part of a department and are attached to the regiments. They were their own distinct uniform and insignia, oir in some cases, the uniform and insignia of the regiment/corps they are assigned to.

Regards,

Todd