Where to wear the Glengarry??

[Fearnest]

Being "covered" indoors (now that I'm way far away from the Army) is a personal choice. Yes, there are "some" guidelines - places of worship, organizations with dress codes (schools come to mind), or when dealing with the military or para-military organizations. But just look at how many men sit down in a restaurant and eat an entire meal without removing their headgear. (Personally I don't understand that - but that's me.)

So "right" or "wrong" (most places in the US) is more a matter of upbringing/personal preference and local custom than anything else.

[bikercelt1]

Being "covered" indoors (now that I'm way far away from the Army) is a personal choice. Yes, there are "some" guidelines - places of worship, organizations with dress codes (schools come to mind), or when dealing with the military or para-military organizations. But just look at how many men sit down in a restaurant and eat an entire meal without removing their headgear. (Personally I don't understand that - but that's me.)

So "right" or "wrong" (most places in the US) is more a matter of upbringing/personal preference and local custom than anything else.

I absolutely agree with you. There is no excuse for the boorish behavior that some people exhibit. I hope you don't think I was excusing that type of conduct.

Jamie

[Fearnest]

I absolutely agree with you. There is no excuse for the boorish behavior that some people exhibit. I hope you don't think I was excusing that type of conduct.

Jamie

I'd never make that assumption!

Get your knees in the breeze and bugs in your teeth!!!

[Chef]

To remove a hat is submission and is driven the tradition of the person in their context within local custom but not exclusively by the rules of local custom. I would strongly refuse any request to remove my glengarry (when I'm wearing one).

I'm sorry but that's hogwash. Removing one's hat when it is appropriate is a sign of courtesy and respect.

So "right" or "wrong" (most places in the US) is more a matter of upbringing/personal preference and local custom than anything else.

How did we get to the point where we consider bad manners to be "personal preference"? Manners are about respect for others.

While there are a few odd rules the majority are quite simple. A man may wear his hat outdoors and indoors in some public spaces (i.e. malls, office building lobbies and corridors). A man will uncover in private spaces (homes, personal office etc.). A restaurant is considered private space because people are eating so a man will be uncovered at all times. Is that really difficult.

I wear hats, so do both my boys and the oldest (7) knows the basic rules. He has asked my why someone is wearing a hat at the wrong time several times. I have never told him it is personal choice.

[Fearnest]

I'm sorry but that's hogwash. Removing one's hat when it is appropriate is a sign of courtesy and respect.



How did we get to the point where we consider bad manners to be "personal preference"? Manners are about respect for others.

While there are a few odd rules the majority are quite simple. A man may wear his hat outdoors and indoors in some public spaces (i.e. malls, office building lobbies and corridors). A man will uncover in private spaces (homes, personal office etc.). A restaurant is considered private space because people are eating so a man will be uncovered at all times. Is that really difficult.

I wear hats, so do both my boys and the oldest (7) knows the basic rules. He has asked my why someone is wearing a hat at the wrong time several times. I have never told him it is personal choice.

Manners are a generally accepted norms or standards of conduct, and thus are not a matter of personal choice, but to display "good" or "bad" manners is. (Just like choosing to observe speed limits or not.)

For better or worse, what constitute "good" or "bad" manners depend a lot on one's upbringing and locale. Which one chooses to display depends largely on one's personal willingness to conform to those accepted norms!

[Nanook]

I'm sorry but that's hogwash. Removing one's hat when it is appropriate is a sign of courtesy and respect.

For you its a form of expressing "courtesy" and "respect". To others its a sign of submission, surrender and others still a act of meekness, humility or..

How did we get to the point where we consider bad manners to be "personal preference"? Manners are about respect for others.

That's right and NOT suggesting that others should remove their hats to conform to your cultural traditions and views. Even within many Christian denominations were the male of the flock are forbidden to cover their heads--- hats are reserved to the ordinated (leaders) men--- women are traditionally expected to wear head coverings (in the United States among some of the churches in the South its tradition for black women not just cover their heads with kerchiefs but to wear extremely ornate hats).

. A man will uncover in private spaces (homes, personal office etc.). A restaurant is considered private space because people are eating so a man will be uncovered at all times. Is that really difficult.

Not really. In many schools boys that normally don't wear hats are expected to wear hats especially during meals. There are rules about local custom and in areas where its local custom not to wear a hat on the streets (public) its acceptable that one go without a head covering but in closed spaces its time to put the hat on! I know many men and boys that only cover their heads indoors--- hat in pocket and plonked onto their heads when they enter closed buildings (or away from the public eye). Head coverings in public can also be very political. In many places some forms of hats are illegal. A Songkok or Kapiah in one place can mean prison in another. A gansta too can't just remove his bandanna as its part of his colours yet the same colours can get him arrested in large parts of the U.S. that have initiated anti-gang legislation (where some forms of self-inflicted body mutilations are sufficient evidence to be arrested as a member).

I wear hats, so do both my boys and the oldest (7) knows the basic rules. He has asked my why someone is wearing a hat at the wrong time several times.

Why do you assume the "wrong time". Perhaps its was the "right time"?
In the "big picture" from a global perspective the feeling that removing ones hat is a sign of "courtesy and respect" is perhaps even a minority view..... Your view but not everyones.

[arrogcow]

Going back to the original question (and I know I'm not going to win any friends here), my response in you should only wear it if your job entails asking,"Do you want fries with that?". I felt the same way about the stupid garrison cap I had to wear in the army as well. I just don't like the look.

Adam

[Fearnest]

Going back to the original question (and I know I'm not going to win any friends here), my response in you should only wear it if your job entails asking,"Do you want fries with that?". I felt the same way about the stupid garrison cap I had to wear in the army as well. I just don't like the look.

Adam

Thanks for the steer back onto the topic - and I'll agree with your comment on the garrison cap! NOT my favorite cap!

[Panache]

When I’m in doubt or have a question in regards to a matter of etiquette I always refer to Miss Manners as the ultimate authority, but then again I am prone to some Victorian tendencies. I imagine that how and where we are raised shapes our views on such matters of what constitutes good manners and courtesy. As an American and hat lover I would wear one in doors as much as I would fail to doff it in the presence of a Lady, which is too say, never.

As arrogcow, noted getting back to the actual question asked …

I thought glengarries were really comical looking in the catalogues, but then I saw them being worn in person at a Highland Games. My mind changed and I thought they looked really smart. I think that they take a little more flair to pull off than a balmoral. I bought my black glengarry with white and red dicing and a red torrie from Sportkilt. I decorated it with a lovely “Neveren” brooch from the Celtic Croft and I think it’s smashing. Each to their own.

Cheers

Jamie

[Mike1]

For you its a form of expressing "courtesy" and "respect". To others its a sign of submission, surrender and others still a act of meekness, humility or..

And that was me, thinking a show of respect would require one to humble one's self, thereby indicating the superiority of the other party. One of us has obviously lost the plot.

What a terrible burden you must bear, equating meek with weak.

I believe cherokeesix was asking if there were any particular dress codes pertaining to the wearing of a Glengarry. Does anyone have any further and on-topic replies for him?