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10th June 07, 09:35 AM
#21
 Originally Posted by Archangel
So, Nervous Jock, you're quite excited to be issued them. Are there any pictures out there besides these?
I choose the word "might" specifically in my opening post 
Quite a lot of this kit is private purchase for officers so there are Grandfather rights on some items. Mess kit for example, is all bought at the owners expense. The Army has therefore granted a 5 year stay of execution on this for serving Officers. A new officer joining RRS now will buy the new kit, a serving officer will be permitted to wear his old kit for another 5 years when he will then have to own the new form of dress. If I'm still serving in 5 years time I won't be spending the money needed on this but purchase myself a really good MTM Prince Charlie and kilt in my family tartan which I can then wear to both military or non military functions.
With regards to the "Parade" uniforms they are all held centrally and issued on a one off basis as required so no soldier currently owns his own Highland rig. So I could request one for the odd occasion I need one but would be unlikely to get it due to the quantities held.
Unfortunately it appears that both Officers and soldiers jackets will be cut to a the same pattern and use the same cloth which I find a great shame but understandable due to the cost.
As a slight aside there is also talk of the new No 2 dress for non Scottish infantry regiments being similar to that worn by the Amercan Army where the Trousers are a different colour to the Jacket. At the moment unless the jackets and trousers are cut from the same run off cloth you can't mix and match them producing obvious difficulties when it comes to tailoring uniform.
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10th June 07, 12:28 PM
#22
just so's you know....I really appreciate all these details on how the new uniform actually plays out.
MTM??
Do you mean the mess kit kilt is not necessarily the regiment's tartan? It could be your own as long as you wear the rest of the kit?
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10th June 07, 02:06 PM
#23
 Originally Posted by Archangel
just so's you know....I really appreciate all these details on how the new uniform actually plays out.
MTM??
Do you mean the mess kit kilt is not necessarily the regiment's tartan? It could be your own as long as you wear the rest of the kit?
Made To Measure 
You should only wear the Regiment's tartan in Mess Kit as its as much a uniform as the Cerimonial or "Combats".
I probably confused things a little as most functions give the choice of wearing Mess Kit or Black Tie. Particularly for reservists, Officers will not normally be expected to have all their different forms of dress from outset. As they progress they will probably start by acquiring Cerimonial Dress items (No 2) then Mess Kit (no 10) as the progress up the ranks and service.
Because of my age there won't be many second hand RRS mess kits available to buy at the end of the Grandfather period so I would have to buy a new one. I'll never get the value out of this so instead I'll buy myself a new kilt and made to measure Prince Charlie and go to these functions in Black Tie rather than Mess Kit.
Although to give you an idea how long these can last, my current Scarlet jacket was estimated to be about 80 years old by my tailor (and that was over 10 years ago.
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10th June 07, 10:03 PM
#24
No kidding?
Ninety years old? Wow. The US Army has totally changed it's dress uniform 5 times and it's combat uniform 9 times in that period, six of those in my 27 years.
Oddly, by law I am allowed to still wear the old uniforms but the new guys can't. The first taylor made uniform I have ever owned was 1776 British. As part of my official US Army duties I played a British Regular a couple of times a year at Concord, Massachusetts. I see an old joke in there some where, "You are so old the uniform they first issued you was red." Second actually.
Can you post a pic?
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