Kilts and costumes

**ccga3359** · 3rd October 07, 04:11 PM

My point is that if you're reating a character such as Mel Gibson's Braveheart or Simpson's Groundskeeper Willy the kilt is a part of that character and helps define it. The kilt is a must and will only be seen as part of that definition and not as the centrepiece. It would be about as insulting to a Scotsman as what is seen weekly on TV or on the big screen. Now an instakilt and Jimmy hat would be insulting and I fully agree with you there.

**Mike1** · 3rd October 07, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cajunscot

Of course, those of us who are traditionalists will argue that because the kilt has symbolism to us in regards to our family heritage, military service, etc., we do not wish to to be "just like any other type of clothing".

HEY!! Who are you calling a traditionalist, anywho?!?

Now, I'm not saying my opinion is the only correct one -- far from it. But not everyone who wears a kilt has the "cause" of its adoption as another piece of clothing. For some of us, it is a symbolic garment.

Oh c'mon Todd, you mean after all these months, you're not ready to demand that everyone around you be kilted each and every day of the year?

Remember, the whole concept of tolerance is meant to be a one-way street. Everyone is to remain tolerant of you wearing the kilt, whilst you demonstrate absolute intolerance toward those A) who do not wear kilts ever, B) who do not wear kilts every day of their lives, C) who do not wear 16 oz. tanks (or contemporary kilts, depending on your own side of the fence) and/or D) who meet all of the above qualifications.

I respect those who differ from me, and ask the same in return.

Todd, Todd, Todd... You've obviously forgotten the most important step. You never, ever, never ask for respect. You demand it. And be prepared to go off like a shot if it is not granted.

By a show of hands, how many of you have seen this same topic beaten like the proverbial dead horse, ad nauseum?

It's a blinkin' kilt. Wear it. Or not. It's your individual choice. The when, the why and the how are all up to you. If you want to wear a kilt to work, wear it. Or not. If you want to wear a kilt to church, wear it. Or not. It's your decision to make. And there's nothing to be gained by suggesting someone is wearing it at the wrong times, for the wrong reasons and in the wrong manner. (Unless the numpty is wearing it pleats forward, of course.)

How about let's argue the significance of a particular style of shoes next time, just to switch it up a bit. I mean, can you believe the lazy bums that wear loafers? Are they too lame to tie their own shoelaces? Sheesh, what's this world coming to? Anyway?

I require whisky, so if you'll excuse me.

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**Chef** · 3rd October 07, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

My point is that if you're reating a character such as Mel Gibson's Braveheart or Simpson's Groundskeeper Willy the kilt is a part of that character and helps define it.

I agree that from that stand point I would not be insulted as a Scotsman. I still have a problem with it if you are using the same garment you will wear to work the next day.

I should say I don't have a problem with a Great kilt being worn as a costume as since it is period dress I consider it a costume anyway.

**ccga3359** · 3rd October 07, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Chef

I agree that from that stand point I would not be insulted as a Scotsman. I still have a problem with it if you are using the same garment you will wear to work the next day.

I should say I don't have a problem with a Great kilt being worn as a costume as since it is period dress I consider it a costume anyway.

To be honest though, aside from the characters I've mention above and Jake's kilted pirate how would one costumize a kilt? Now, I don't wear a kilt daily but I wouldn't go out at hallowe'en in my kilt night get up, not even if it was a kilt night.

**ChromeScholar** · 3rd October 07, 04:35 PM

So if you are a regular kilt wearer (and particularly if you see it as part of your identity) why would you wear one on Halloween as a costume?

To start with, I can't see using what I wear as a part of my identity. That just seems a bit shallow to me. In any case, If I were to wear the kilt every day, then wearing it exactly the same way I did every day would not, likely, be seen as a costume. On the other hand, I very rarely wear a kilt, Jacobite shirt, eye patch and cutlass, so that would be seen as a costume.

**Coemgen** · 3rd October 07, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Mike1

It's a blinkin' kilt. Wear it. Or not. It's your individual choice. The when, the why and the how are all up to you. If you want to wear a kilt to work, wear it. Or not. If you want to wear a kilt to church, wear it. Or not. It's your decision to make. And there's nothing to be gained by suggesting someone is wearing it at the wrong times, for the wrong reasons and in the wrong manner. (Unless the numpty is wearing it pleats forward, of course.)

How about let's argue the significance of a particular style of shoes next time, just to switch it up a bit. I mean, can you believe the lazy bums that wear loafers? Are they too lame to tie their own shoelaces? Sheesh, what's this world coming to? Anyway?

I require whisky, so if you'll excuse me.

Sir, your rhetoric never ceases to amaze

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**ChromeScholar** · 3rd October 07, 04:43 PM

I require whisky

Ok, but don't drink whiskey!

**ccga3359** · 3rd October 07, 04:47 PM

Sooo Dpseadvr, your son is going as a frogman, how cool is that. Be sure to wear a kilt and have a pic taken with him so you can post a pic of the little guy

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**Kiltman** · 3rd October 07, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by ChromeScholar

I don't see the problem with wearing a kilt as part of a costume, any more than I would have a problem with wearing a pair of jeans, a tuxedo, or a jellaba. If, for instance, I decided to dress as a bagpiper for Halloween, what else would I wear, if not a kilt?

I wish it were true that others see the wearing of a kilt in the same way they do jeans, etc.; but they don't.
I look forward to the day that a kilt can be as normal a wear as jeans. For now, I don't have a problem with it as part of the costume; but we must realize that for many it is only a costume.

**Chef** · 3rd October 07, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by ChromeScholar

To start with, I can't see using what I wear as a part of my identity. That just seems a bit shallow to me.

Remember, to many the kilt has symbolism beyond the type of garment it is. That is the type of identity I was talking about. Not the type where part of your identity is wearing designer names.