Bruce Hero King a' Caerlaverock!

**rmmcscott** · 12th October 07, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Pour1Malt

um... weel....nay...

Burns wuz no actually knichted ya ken....

in 1787 an auld Jacobite lady, Mrs Bruce o' Clackmannan- "knighted" Burns... which she actually had nay 'richt' tae dae... wi' a sword that she claimed belaing'd tae Robert The Bruce (but there is nay proof o' that...)

he is no Sir Robert Burns...

maks fur a nice story though!

Interesting... (not that I'm doubting because I haven't actually spoken with Lord Elgin (Bruce Family Clan Chief) to verify the proof he has about it being Robert the Bruce's sword) check out http://www.robert-de-bruce.com/700thAnniversary.htm and be sure to note the pictures with Lord Elgin, and Lord Bruce holding the sword at Moot Hill at Scone during the 700th Anniversary celebration of the coronation of Robert the Bruce. I believe that Lord Elgin believes this to be the same sword used by Robert the Bruce, and has authorized McAllen Armoury to make the exact replicas. Whether or not the "knighting" was legal or not, ehhh... but it's believed to be the same sword.

Interesting if nothing else.

**3fingerslinger** · 12th October 07, 01:38 PM

Great pictures--thanks for sharing them!!

**rickmac15** · 12th October 07, 02:10 PM

Nice pictures espciality since i,m have way through reading the Rebel King series

**Niblox** · 12th October 07, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by Pour1Malt

um... weel....nay...

Burns wuz no actually knichted ya ken....

in 1787 an auld Jacobite lady, Mrs Bruce o' Clackmannan- "knighted" Burns... which she actually had nay 'richt' tae dae... wi' a sword that she claimed belaing'd tae Robert The Bruce (but there is nay proof o' that...)

he is no Sir Robert Burns...

maks fur a nice story though!

Have a look at this - Agnes Burns (Robert Burns sister) married a farmer in Co. Louth and is buried in the Presbyterian churchyard in Dundalk in the Republic of Ireland - http://www.hoganstand.com/general/Id...ries/burns.htm

**Pour1Malt** · 14th October 07, 02:55 AM

Originally Posted by rmmcscott

Interesting... (not that I'm doubting because I haven't actually spoken with Lord Elgin (Bruce Family Clan Chief) to verify the proof he has about it being Robert the Bruce's sword) check out http://www.robert-de-bruce.com/700thAnniversary.htm and be sure to note the pictures with Lord Elgin, and Lord Bruce holding the sword at Moot Hill at Scone during the 700th Anniversary celebration of the coronation of Robert the Bruce. I believe that Lord Elgin believes this to be the same sword used by Robert the Bruce, and has authorized McAllen Armoury to make the exact replicas. Whether or not the "knighting" was legal or not, ehhh... but it's believed to be the same sword.

Interesting if nothing else.

it may arr may no bae Bruce's sword- that ai dinnae ken oucht... if Laird Elgin says it is- that is guid enough fur me!

but ai ken Robert Burns is no Sir Robert Burns....

if he wuz- Scots wuid certainly refer tae him that way!

but we dinnae....

**cessna152towser** · 14th October 07, 04:44 AM

Bit of thread creep here but following on what Niblox said. My wife's ancestors on both her mother and father's sides were farmers, shoemakers and weavers in Burns country. (Ayrshire and Dumfriesshire) No Burns among the family names but one of the families had a servant named Rosina Burns and I'd been into the Burns family tree website to see if she was related to the bard but it seems she isn't.

I did find there something which confirms what Niblox said.

Agnes Burness was born on 30 September 1762 in Alloway, Ayr, Ayrshire, Scotland. She was the daughter of William Burness and Agnes Brown. She married William Galt in 1804 in Dinning, Dumfriesshire, Scotland. She died on 17 October 1834 in Stephenstown, Louth, Ireland, at age 72.

My wife had a great-great-grandmother Agnes Davidson who married a souter (shoemaker) by the name of James White. Her father was an Andrew Davidson, who was a carter at Bargany Mine, near Dailly in Ayrshire in the late 1700's.
There was a different Andrew Davidson who mined there at the same time and who also had a daughter Agnes. But were the two Andrew Davidson's somehow related? That other Andrew Davidson was a cousin of Burns' "souter Johnnie", John Davidson. I have yet to discover whether my wife is or is not related to souter Johnnie.