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11th December 07, 06:35 AM
#1
New British flag?
Why does the UK ignore the Welsh all the time? How about some representation:
![](http://aycu38.webshots.com/image/34117/2002533301635464823_rs.jpg)
Sure, they smell a little like leek soup and we're all pretty sure they speak gibberish to each other as a joke on the rest of the world*, but we love 'em anyway! You knows it!
So what do you think?
*just a bit of humor, not tryin to offend.
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11th December 07, 06:45 AM
#2
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by beloitpiper
Why does the UK ignore the Welsh all the time? How about some representation:
Sure, they smell a little like leek soup and we're all pretty sure they speak gibberish to each other as a joke on the rest of the world*, but we love 'em anyway! You knows it!
So what do you think?
*just a bit of humor, not tryin to offend.
l think it is because Wales is a Principality, it not a question of ignoring the Welsh at all.
And sorry no l do not like your new flag, and Wales have a lovley flag of there own.
l know you are not trying to offend, but l do not think there was any need for the comments about leek soup, & speaking gibberish.
Last edited by Une; 11th December 07 at 06:57 AM.
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11th December 07, 06:49 AM
#3
Because they were actually conquered by the English.
They suggested representation you've printed was not the one I'd heard bandied about.
If you reverse colours on the St George's Cross so the red is the dominant colour with the yellow as edging this was the "popular" suggestion I believe.
I think its all a ploy for the flag makers myself.
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11th December 07, 06:54 AM
#4
I think maybe someone missed the joke?
When I've been in England, I was corrected by a couple of Welshmen when I called them English. (I confess to a great deal of ignorance as to the finer details of the political actualities of the UK. Please forgive; it's rather like the Brits who didn't quite understand how states work in the US.) I was told by the Welsh that Wales was a separate country and not England.
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11th December 07, 07:03 AM
#5
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by thescot
I think maybe someone missed the joke?
When I've been in England, I was corrected by a couple of Welshmen when I called them English. (I confess to a great deal of ignorance as to the finer details of the political actualities of the UK. Please forgive; it's rather like the Brits who didn't quite understand how states work in the US.) I was told by the Welsh that Wales was a separate country and not England.
My husband was Welsh, and yes Wales, as the Welsh say is not in England.
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11th December 07, 07:58 AM
#6
Wales had no representation in the Union flag because it did not exist as a political entity until very recently. It was absorbed completely by England in the early 16th Century, divided into counties and considered part of England for administration purposes.
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11th December 07, 10:21 AM
#7
Ive been told that Wales is represented by the white section on the union flag, there are many websites etc that say this is not the case, haveing been a made welcome visitor to wales many many times, I must say that our Welsh cousins Dont need to tamper with the flag, as they have a very strong Welsh identity already, the Welsh language act requires most documents and signs etc to be in English and Welsh, something Scotland should be learning from. and as any visitor will tell you it is that Wales is definatly NOT a conquered nation.
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11th December 07, 10:45 AM
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![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by highlander_Daz
and as any visitor will tell you it is that Wales is definatly NOT a conquered nation.
Really??
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11th December 07, 10:48 AM
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To all of the above I can only offer - - -
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11th December 07, 11:15 AM
#10
Well it would certainly be a new interpretation of the butcher's apron. Personally I tend to regard it primarily as the Ulster flag, because the place you are most likely to see it flying is in Northern Ireland. I also associate the butcher's apron as a symbol of the unified armed forces of Scotland and England against common enemies, so yes I think Cymru ought to be there too because the Welsh have laid their lives on the line for the common military too. Its a flag I rarely see flown in Scotland or England (you see lots of saltires in Scotland and lots of St. George flags in the north of England). One of the few places which flies the butcher's apron is the aviation museum at Carlisle Airport, when we are open, as our museum is almost entirely about the Royal Air Force, and of course I take my turn of raising the flag there, always making sure it is the correct side up.
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