Who Was Prince Charlie Anyway?

**McClef** · 6th February 08, 04:55 AM

I wonder who the original designer of the PC was and if he (or she) coined the name?

**Zardoz** · 6th February 08, 07:41 AM

Lots of kilts at our Dickens on the Strand fest last year. Since the dress tends to be late 1800's Victorian formal, most were worn with PC jackets and blak tie, like a Burns supper was about to break out! I think an Argyll and waistcoat, with period shirt and neckwear is more "authentic" for the period. Not sure about deerstalkers, but do have a hat, everyone wore hats in those days.

**davedove** · 6th February 08, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by Zardoz

but do have a hat, everyone wore hats in those days.

But of course, a gentleman was not properly dressed without a hat.

**davim19** · 6th February 08, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by Arlen

I can see why you are marrying her!

Too right, I have promised not to wear a kilt for the ceremony so as not to upstage her. But I may have to look into a contemporary outfit for the reception.

**Colin** · 6th February 08, 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

Here is a pic of Queen Vic's favourite Scot; John Brown.

Come on... That looks nothing like Billy Connelly. Next you are going to tell us that William Wallace didn't really look like Mel Gibson

Seriously, that's a cool picture. It's intersting to see how differnt the pocket flaps are on this version from today's tweed argyle coats. I reminds me more of of the side of some doublets.

**ccga3359** · 6th February 08, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Colin

Come on... That looks nothing like Billy Connelly. Next you are going to tell us that William Wallce didn't really look like Mel Gibson

Seriously, that's a cool picture. It's interesting to see how different the pocket flaps are on this version from today's tweed argyle coats. I reminds me more of of the side of some doublets.

Of course not, although Mel Gibson does have an uncanny resemblance to Sir William Wallace 9especially the height thing) and may be a direct descendant. I recall reading somewhere that John Brown was unique in his choice of solid tweed kilt over a clan tartan.

**BoldHighlander** · 6th February 08, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Colin

Come on... That looks nothing like Billy Connelly.

Aye, but you have to admit that Connelly looked good in a kilt!

I'm still not certain if that is a buckle or a kilt pin. I have to admit the placement for a kilt pin is odd, but then so would be a buckle. I wish the plaid was not obscuring the side of the kilt!

I wonder if Matt Newsome has ran into any Victorian era kilts having such "modesty" buckles (as one Xmarkser put it) on them in his studies?

**BoldHighlander** · 6th February 08, 11:32 AM

I thought the original post'er (is that correct?) of this thread would like to see some period Victorian photos of John Brown in his everyday wear.

I couldn't resist:

**Zardoz** · 6th February 08, 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=BoldHighlander;486611]I thought the original post'er (is that correct?) of this thread would like to see some period Victorian photos of John Brown in his everyday wear.

I wonder what that tartan is?

**Nanook** · 6th February 08, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown

The Prince Charlie coatee dates pretty much from sometime after 1935.

Hard to accept given that we have a coatee in the closet of said style dated from 1921 (Wm Anderson Edinburgh). It has all the design elements but rather than black its a very dark archer green (looks black except in the glare of sunlight) and its buttons are solid sterling silver balls. The colour, I think, is the real give-away to its pedigree (today: Kinloch Anderson) as the case of other formal and dress attire: the military. I have little to believe that the style did not predate the great war.