Massacre of Glencoe

[bjproc]

Yes, that's the one I was thinking of. It's a great place, a real walkers pub (muddy boots and all) which must be very welcoming in the colder months with those big roaring fires. The range of real ales is fantastic and all in great condition. It must be brilliant when the live music is on. To find it you follow the road (or should I say track) off the main road towards Glencoe village itself, and it's about a third of a mile on the left.

haha, the only way i had a thought what you were on about, was a guy i work with who has started to do a lot of hill walking mentioned it last week, because i was thinking about going up glencoe sometime soon.

[Graywolf]

As a Campbell, a Graham, a Cummings and a Mcleod, and lord knows whatever other clans, let me say this. The clans operated as tribes. The closest analogy I can think of today is the tribes in Iraq or maybe Africa, e.g, Watusi and Hutu, or Somali warlords. They made and broke alliances at their convenience. The MacDonalds for a time were allied with the English, (heaven forbid), then the Scottish throne. The Campbells likewise.

The main break came with the religious wars - the Campbells declared early for Presbyterianism and the other highland clans stayed mostly Roman Catholic or what we would call Episcopalian, i.e., Anglican. If you want people to kill each other - raise religion as the issue. Example - just look to nothern Ireland, just recently solved, or Iraq, Sunni and Shia.

I take no pride in the massacre as a Campbell, neither do I feel guilty. It was done, principally to eliminate a small clan which could serve as an example to the larger clans who might oppose William.

[Jock Scot]

Hello Greywolf,let me say right from the start that I am no expert on religeous matters(mods please bear with me),but in the interests of peace can I make it very plain that Roman Catholics and Anglicans are not the same thing.Very far from it in fact! Where the Episcopalians fit in, I have no Idea.Peace to all.

[macwilkin]

Hello Greywolf,let me say right from the start that I am no expert on religeous matters(mods please bear with me),but in the interests of peace can I make it very plain that Roman Catholics and Anglicans are not the same thing.Very far from it in fact! Where the Episcopalians fit in, I have no Idea.Peace to all.

Episcopalians and Anglicans are the same thing, Jock. The Scottish Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion. To keep this on topic, many Highlanders were "piskies".

T.

[Pleater]

I know, but seldom sing 'The fall of the house of Airlie' which contains the lines

'You may tell it to Sir John,' he said
'You may tell it to Lord Airlie
That just one kiss from his sweet lady gay
Would have saved all the plundering of Airlie.'

'If the great Sir John had been but at home
For he is this night with Prince Charlie
Then neither you, nor any Campbell's son
Would have dared to come a plundering of Airlie.

The Campbell's son was an Argyll.

[Jock Scot]

Episcopalians and Anglicans are the same thing, Jock. The Scottish Episcopal Church is part of the Anglican Communion. To keep this on topic, many Highlanders were "piskies".

T.

Thanks T. for that information.I know full well that I am "on thin ice" here and I apologise in advance,but in the interests of peace and understanding it is important for people to know and to understand,Greywolf for example, that RC's and the various representitives of the Anglican Communion are not one and the same.The perpetuation of misunderstandings have blighted this world for too long and I hope that we can gently point out a misconception.As I say," peace to all".

[Phil]

Thanks T. for that information.I know full well that I am "on thin ice" here and I apologise in advance,but in the interests of peace and understanding it is important for people know and to understand,Greywolf for example, that RC's and the various representitives of the Anglican Communion are not one and the same.The perpetuation of misunderstandings have blighted this world for too long and I hope that we can gently point out a misconception.As I say," peace to all".

Jock, Episcopacy is the governance of a church by bishops and so can apply to both the RC church and CofE equally. Presbyterianism was founded on a rejection of epicopacy and is governed by elders. I too trust this does not overstep any marks.

[Freedomlover]

Frank,

... but that hardly justifies blaming all Campbells for the crime, especially when, as Trefor pointed out, a number of people were responsible.

T.

But they aren't alone in sharing the heat. Every time I run across Alec Beaton he says, to every one in earshot, "Look out! Here comes a thievin' McGregor!" My long ago relatives, some of them, were pretty good cattle thieves sure enough, but I haven't pinched one in ages. Nevertheless............

[macwilkin]

Jock, Episcopacy is the governance of a church by bishops and so can apply to both the RC church and CofE equally. Presbyterianism was founded on a rejection of epicopacy and is governed by elders. I too trust this does not overstep any marks.

Phil: you are correct, but in this case, we are not talking about the C of E. We are talking about the Scottish Episcopal Church, which is its proper name in Scotland.

T.

[Phil]

Phil: you are correct, but in this case, we are not talking about the C of E. We are talking about the Scottish Episcopal Church, which is its proper name in Scotland.

T.

That's right, Church of England, Scottish Epicopal church and Church of Ireland are all branches of the Anglican church and all of which have an appointed hierarchy of bishops (the Episcopacy) as does the Roman Catholic church. I understand what Jock is saying but am not aware of religious persecution between Catholic and Protestant in Scotland of the kind that occurred in Ireland. What persecution there was was the killing of many thousands of Covenanters in the late 1600's as a result of the king wishing to impose an episcopacy upon the churchgoers at that time.