Nick, apology certainly accepted and I too apologise for anything I said that you felt was a personal attack. None was meant.

I also don't think you should stop offering views that go beyond the "corporate" one. Good debate is a learning experience and can be a great deal of fun. We got a little side tracked on this one is all.

I realise you could not quantify some of your statements and that they are not things that can be proven. What I was hoping you might do is give us illustrations (via comparative pictures possibly or some other way) of the aesthetics you were referring to. As I mentioned I have seen many kilts in my day, fully hand-stitched, what you refer to as hand-made and others that are not pertinent to this discussion. I have seen good and bad examples of both of the types we are talking about. However, not being a kilt maker, I have never compared the two types closely enough side-by-side to easily understand the point you are making. I would very much be interested to learn more.

So please add new info and viewpoints to the forum, and please don't be insulted if a cynic like me questions you. Think of yourself as a Galileo in the kilt world.