History of the lion rampant flag?

[BoldHighlander]

ardchoille, Ill think youll find the act of Proscription was introduced by the British rather than the English, as Ive said before to see the Jacobite uprisings as England V Scotland is wide of the mark, go and do some research the truth is more fascinating than the myth, I know a tour guide at Culloden and many overseas tourists ask him "im a (insert Vaguely Scots surname here) where would my ancestors have lined up to fight???" most are suprised when he points to the top of the hill where the British lined up.

I have heard it said many times (& this echos our own American Revolution) that during the '45, 1/3 of the population were with the Jacobites, a 1/3 were with the Crown, and the rest just wanted to be left alone.

That might simplify things a bit, but I think sums it up real well

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

The Arms of Scotland are: Or (gold) with in Tressure flory counter-flory a Lion rampant Gules (red). These are the Arms of the Scottish monarch, which when used as a flag or banner become the "Lion Rampant" flag.

When Elizabeth I died, the Royal Arms of England were, in the first and fourth quarters, the ancient arms of England (three gold lions passant on a red field) with the arms of France (three gold fleurs-de-lis on a blue field) in the second and third quarters.

When James VI of Scotland became also James I of England, the Royal Arms were thus augmented and marshaled: Quarters 1 & 4: England (now quartered with France); Quarter 2: Scotland; and Quarter 3: Ireland. These arms were borne by James I, Charles I, Charles II, and James II (and by subsequent Stuart pretenders to the throne).

In Scotland the English quarters were swapped around and Scotland was placed in quarters 1&4, England in quarter 2, and Ireland remained in third position.

It is important to remember that the Lion Rampant flag is the flag representing the "official" arms of the Scottish monarch, but not the coat of arms of the monarch's family. This flag is distinct from the flag of Scotland, (the "Bonnie Blue Blanket" of great antiquity) in so far as it should only be flown by and with royal authority to indicate the physical presence of the monarch.

Now having said all of that, it's a nice flag, most people don't understand flag etiquette, and it's Scottish. Will the numpties wave it? Of course they will; they don't know any better. Will you wave it? Guess that's up to you.

[SteveB]

I guess I am now a little more educated. I always have taken the Saltaire as THE flag of Scotland. I thought that the Lion Rampant was the arms of the monarch. I more or less left it at that. When doing the middle school geography thing, I had managed to make a plywood based "map" of Europe and stuck the Nations Flag on a small dowel at about where the capital city would be. The "arms" of the country were glued on a wood chip and mounted at the base of the flag. Thus I had misconstrued the lion Rampant as belonging to Scotland more than belonging to the Queen. Thanks for the info.

[SportBilly]

The Arms of Scotland are: Or (gold) with in Tressure flory counter-flory a Lion rampant Gules (red). These are the Arms of the Scottish monarch, which when used as a flag or banner become the "Lion Rampant" flag.

When Elizabeth I died, the Royal Arms of England were, in the first and fourth quarters, the ancient arms of England (three gold lions passant on a red field) with the arms of France (three gold fleurs-de-lis on a blue field) in the second and third quarters.

When James VI of Scotland became also James I of England, the Royal Arms were thus augmented and marshaled: Quarters 1 & 4: England (now quartered with France); Quarter 2: Scotland; and Quarter 3: Ireland. These arms were borne by James I, Charles I, Charles II, and James II (and by subsequent Stuart pretenders to the throne).

In Scotland the English quarters were swapped around and Scotland was placed in quarters 1&4, England in quarter 2, and Ireland remained in third position.

It is important to remember that the Lion Rampant flag is the flag representing the "official" arms of the Scottish monarch, but not the coat of arms of the monarch's family. This flag is distinct from the flag of Scotland, (the "Bonnie Blue Blanket" of great antiquity) in so far as it should only be flown by and with royal authority to indicate the physical presence of the monarch.

Now having said all of that, it's a nice flag, most people don't understand flag etiquette, and it's Scottish. Will the numpties wave it? Of course they will; they don't know any better. Will you wave it? Guess that's up to you.

As I sort of hinted at in an earlier post, history and the monarchy aside, it's also the official badge of the Scottish Football Association (the second oldest FA in the world after England). I'd suggest it's not just "the numpties" who "don't know any better" (nice sweeping generalisation though!) who like to wave the Lion Rampant flag without regard for heraldic custom

[Ancienne Alliance]

Very interesting Thread. Thank you all.