Original new regimental kilts for sale

[Nervous Jock]

You know what...after looking through the site, I'm not entirely convinced that those items are military surplus. Either WPG is really good at reproducing military items, or they are the same products...

The NSN on the Black Watch Kilt is genuine however the labeling differs slightly, as I've had mine for a number of years its possible this is a new manufacturer, the waist band, loops and buckles are the same. I've asked on another forum for confirmation.


TBO I don't know why some of you guys get so excited about these kilts as the material, while heavy, is not the most comfortable to wear.

[Nanook]

WPG kilts may be made in Pakistan, but the Gordon one I have is really, really good.

That's fine but I surely not in the same league. Many of the Gordon kilts (up into the 1980s) were made by Thomas Gordon and Sons in Glasgow (they had some of the best military tailors in Scotland, among them Elsie Stuehmeyer of "The Art of Kiltmaking") but even the last batch from Argyle Kilts Ltd were very good.

Heavy, thick wool with lots of thick pleats and good stitching.

I don't disagree but not the same grade and quality of wool as from Noble nor the quality of workmanship from Thomas Gordon & Sons or Argyle Ltd.

Look at the photos on the "real deal" site, the buckles and straps are even the same!!!

The buckles are more or less the same pattern but not the same.

It is also HALF the price as the "real deal" kilts.

150 GBP is $300 USD. WPG kilts are.. $300 USD.

I won't argue that the others are good quality, because they probably are, but I am arguing that WPG kilts are very good, if not as good.

I truly suggest that you have a look at the "real deal". I've NEVER seen a Pakistani kilt to the same standards as what the UK MOD took delivery of.

You know what...after looking through the site, I'm not entirely convinced that those items are military surplus.

I think they certainly are. A lot of kit became obsolete through the consolidation. I'd have a hard time believing that legitimate channels have taken to counterfeiting Thomas Gordon, Argyle Ltd, Hector Russell etc. army surplus kilts (especially at this price point) at a time when the stores are being emptied of them. I also know a few ex-army kiltmakers that are selling them and none have to my knowledge detected fakes. These are not designer jeans, training shoes or handbags. The market is just too tiny.

Either WPG is really good at reproducing military items, or they are the same products...

They are not and you are really the first to suggest that they could be. Leaving aside the workmanship.. the cloth is very different. The WPG kilts are quite stiff, dull and rough. The Noble cloth is finer in grade and has a special sheen. Absolutely not comparable (and it should be given the extreme high price Noble charges)!

[Nanook]

The NSN on the Black Watch Kilt is genuine however the labeling differs slightly, as I've had mine for a number of years its possible this is a new manufacturer, the waist band, loops and buckles are the same. I've asked on another forum for confirmation.

Argyle Ltd held the contract and the label appears correct and authentic.

TBO I don't know why some of you guys get so excited about these kilts as the material, while heavy, is not the most comfortable to wear.

This is really up to question. I personally really like high cut kilts and woven tartan. Its much more robust than worsted wool. I also like heavy tweeds. In lighter weight kilts I do prefer worsted wool but I also don't wear heavy tweeds or heavy kilts in the summer :-)

[beloitpiper]

150 GBP is $300 USD. WPG kilts are.. $300 USD.

My WPG Gordon cost $195.

So I was wrong, only 2/3 the price. Still pretty good in my book.

[McMurdo]

My WPG Gordon cost $195.

So I was wrong, only 2/3 the price. Still pretty good in my book.

Mine was about the same price, the other thing about the WPG kilts is that they come in larger sizes.

[ccga3359]

TBO I don't know why some of you guys get so excited about these kilts as the material, while heavy, is not the most comfortable to wear.

In Canada? -20, -30 below celcius plus wind chill, especially on the Great Lakes slices right through you. And my Mum could've decided on going to Australia!

[Nervous Jock]

In Canada? -20, -30 below celcius plus wind chill, especially on the Great Lakes slices right through you. And my Mum could've decided on going to Australia!

Ha Ha like it

[Nervous Jock]

Argyle Ltd held the contract and the label appears correct and authentic.

I've had this confirmed by another source, I also have contact details for Argyll Ltd if anyone wants to contact them to query this.

[Woodsheal]

Dang! Four more inches of waist size and I'd be after one of the Black Watch kilts!! Did you notice that the aprons appear to be not fringed on these army kilts?

[Nanook]

Dang! Four more inches of waist size and I'd be after one of the Black Watch kilts!!

The largest size standard issue is for 6'2" and 96cm waist (that's 38-39") measured NOT at the stomach. Army kiltmakers can (and do) alternations but if you need over 41-42" "waist" (as measured under the ribs) and more than 48" in breech then I would suggest that the pattern is less than ideally suited to your physique. Remember this pattern is not intended to hang on the hips but to be right up under the rib-cage, strapped on tight and firm--- notice the double holed buckles and reinforcements!

Did you notice that the aprons appear to be not fringed on these army kilts?

Army kilts are not fringed. Since there are no corners to the garment there is no imperative for ציצת . Plaids (such as drummer's, piper's and fly) do have corners and thus have "twisted threads".