Yes, that's the way I saw it as well. I still explain it that way.

Every so often I'll run into someone from "up" upstate (Buffalo, Syracuse, Lake Placid, etc) and they are quick to correct me. New Yorker's are a shy bunch.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but tell someone from Georgia that you're from New York and they immediately think you're from Manhatten. I actually grew up in Saugerties. Great place, just have no reason to go back anymore.