What If He Had won?

**Mael Coluim** · 1st January 09, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Pleater

Despite there not being a miltary force between Derby and London capable of repeling the invasion, the Prince and his commanders were informed that there was, and more troops were marching to join them with all speed, by a man who seems to have been part spy, part civil servant - and entirely untrustworthy.

The commanders, already uneasy about their situation so far from home, refused to venture further into England and turned back...

Anne the Pleater

I'm glad Anne, you made this point, as I read the thread I was thinking of this. A while back our PBS TV station showed the BBC series Battlefield Britian. There was an episode about the '45 and the historians on the show said the road was clear all the way to London. I don't remember the name of the individual who lied to the Prince convincing the Jacobites an English army was enroute to meet them, but I thought he was a Highlander of some repute with the cause.

**Mael Coluim** · 1st January 09, 10:57 AM

I believe the Prince was not so much interested in freeing Scotland of the English usurpers, but on acquiring the crown of Great Britian.

**Downix** · 1st January 09, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Mael Coluim

I believe the Prince was not so much interested in freeing Scotland of the English infidels, but on acquiring the crown of Great Britian.

Indeed, and to think I had family fighting for him... and for the crown as well.

**Scotus** · 1st January 09, 11:35 AM

Could we lay off the Cardinal Duke of York, please! I find this offensive, as there are contemporary sources that show he led a virtuous and pure life.

**Scotus** · 1st January 09, 12:43 PM

I wanted to leave a link here, a rather simple link to a Catholic encyclopedia, about Henry Cardinal Stuart, Duke of York.

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=11126

In part, it states, "Being sincerely pious and earnest, he proved a zealous administrator of his see, reforming the clergy, and founding a seminary which he endowed with a magnificent library."

In addition to being well loved, he was a most generous host to the many English and Scots visitors to Rome. The topic of the thread is a "What if..." the Stuarts had regained the throne. I was just put off by a couple of the unnecessary comments about the Cardinal Duke of York, espcially since there is evidence to the contrary. I don't mean to draw undue attention to those comments, but I did need to defend His Eminence.

**macwilkin** · 1st January 09, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Mael Coluim

I believe the Prince was not so much interested in freeing Scotland of the English infidels, but on acquiring the crown of Great Britian.

I don't think the use of the word "infidel" is appropriate for this discussion, given it's meaning...

T.

**Mael Coluim** · 1st January 09, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

I don't think the use of the word "infidel" is appropriate for this discussion, given it's meaning...

T.

Agreed, Todd. I truly didn't mean the the word as defined. I've edited my original post.

**macwilkin** · 1st January 09, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by Mael Coluim

Agreed, Todd. I truly didn't mean the the word as defined. I've edited my original post.

No worries.

T.

**Downix** · 1st January 09, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Scotus

I wanted to leave a link here, a rather simple link to a Catholic encyclopedia, about Henry Cardinal Stuart, Duke of York.

http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=11126

In part, it states, "Being sincerely pious and earnest, he proved a zealous administrator of his see, reforming the clergy, and founding a seminary which he endowed with a magnificent library."

In addition to being well loved, he was a most generous host to the many English and Scots visitors to Rome. The topic of the thread is a "What if..." the Stuarts had regained the throne. I was just put off by a couple of the unnecessary comments about the Cardinal Duke of York, espcially since there is evidence to the contrary. I don't mean to draw undue attention to those comments, but I did need to defend His Eminence.

Defend away, seems a legitimate cause to fight for to me. He is not here to defend himself after all.

**MacMillan of Rathdown** · 1st January 09, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Mael Coluim

I believe the Prince was not so much interested in freeing Scotland of the English usurpers, but on acquiring the crown of Great Britian.

Seems to me that these are one in the same. Except, both George I and George II were born in Germany (George III being the first of that line born in GB), and were regarded as "German" -- not English -- usurpers.