Term for Scottish emigrant descendants?

[Oldhiker]

Could the word you are looking for be Albannach?

yes I know it is a band but the word Alba is gaelic for Scotland. It is pronunced "AL pa". I think the meaning of Albannach or Albannaich means Scottish person or a person from scotland???

[puddlemuddle]

My brain hurts now......

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I hear what your trying to get at MacMillan, but I think we may be trying to say the same thing two different ways. You may like Chinese food, and that won't make you Chinese, but neither will having medium dark skin, black hair and the "asiatic fold" in your eyes.

Actually, having the racial characteristics you've described would make me Chinese if my ancestors came from Shanghai. If they came from Seoul, I'd be Korean, and if they hailed from Yoda (a suburb of Tokyo) I'd be Japanese.

Where I live, there are many people of Asian ancestry (that is their ancestors came from Asia, and they have the characteristic genetic features that we associate with that region) who aren't ethnically Asian.

They aren't? What are they?

They are ethnic "North Americans"

Hold it right there. I know that Canada strives mightily to become a multi-ethnic/multi-cultural society, but the last time I looked there was no such a thing as an ethnic "Norte Americano".

I've seen Sikhs with red-hair and freckles, and Ebony skinned Jews. There are (East) Indians who are card carrying Tory's (read as: "Republican" if you're in the USA)...

So? People look different, they don't all fall into stereotypes; that's not the point.

...and the number of Caucasian's that are into Chakra therapy is astounding.

Being "into" something doesn't alter the fact that they are Caucasians... despite practicing yoga, they are not turning into Aryans, Dravidians, or any other sort of Indio-Persian person. They may be limber, they may be in touch with the seven centers of the body, but they are still Caucasians.

But, on the other hand, what we also have to consider is that ethnicity and culture are not whimsical. One can't just wake up one morning and decide that they're "whatever". Ethnicity and culture involve one's entire lifestyle,

You've jumped over the part about ancestry-- it is ancestry that determines ethnicity, and environment that shapes an individual's reaction and acceptance (or rejection) of his Culture. One can "share" someone else's Culture without being an ethnic part of the Culture.

So, for those that take it seriously enough to live it in the long-term, one may call them Scotophiles,

Which I do, because they love my Culture as much, or more, than their own ethnic Culture.

or adopted Scots, or just Scots (or maybe just plain crazy! lol!), but it does them a disservice if we dismiss them with a "we like you, but you'll never be one of us" attitude.

It isn't about "dismissiveness", as much as it it about facing the fact that "all inclusiveness" is an awkward, politically correct, social fiction. No one "dismisses" someone who pays them the compliment of immersing himself in their Culture. Far from it. We laud their interest and efforts. But those interests and efforts, as noble as they may be, will not transform a Hottentot into a Scot, any more that it would turn a Scot into an Eskimo.

I think that people are more receptive to, and more respectful of, those people who are not trying to be something they aren't. It is better to be who you are, rather than trying to be something you are not.

I'm just trying to be a bit more open about people being who they want to be.

I'm all in favour of an open society. As long as it's an honest society.

And on that, I think we can both agree.

[slohairt]

I believe what Xena is referring to is the Aboriginal/First Nations people whose ancestors came here some 15 000 years ago or so. In Canada, at least, we consider them to be ethnic Canadians or ethnic North Americans. So, yes, their ancestors hail from the continent of Asia but not any Asian country in particular. (Obviously.)

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I believe what Xena is referring to is the Aboriginal/First Nations people whose ancestors came here some 15 000 years ago or so. In Canada, at least, we consider them to be ethnic Canadians or ethnic North Americans.

So that means that the Second People (who ever they were, the Danes, the French, the English...) and all subsequent arrivistes in Canada aren't ethnic Canadians. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Bigkahuna]

damn now i found the one i was after,

And what i alluded to in the 2x posts above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_New_Zealand

Pākehā culture (Pakeha - thats you and me white boy)

Pākehā culture derives mainly from that of the British settlers who colonised New Zealand in the nineteenth century. Although it is recognisably related to British culture, it has always had distinct differences, and these have increased as time has gone on. Things which distinguish Pākehā culture from British culture include higher levels of egalitarianism, anti-intellectualism, and the idea that most people can do most things if they put their minds to it. Within Pākehā culture are sub-cultures derived from Irish, Italian and other European groups, as well as various non-ethnic subcultures.

It has been claimed that Pākehā do not actually have a culture, or if they do it is not a distinct one. Part of the problem is that high culture is often mistaken for culture in general, and the lack of recognition historically given to New Zealand's artists, writers and composers is seen as evidence of a lack of culture. In contrast, Pākehā pop culture is generally highly visible and often valued. This is observable in the common belief that kiwiana, a category of kitsch 1950s-style artifacts, is a defining cultural touchstone.[citation needed]

Others argue that belief in the 'absence' of culture in NZ is a symptom of white privilege, allowing members of a dominant group to see their culture as 'normal' or 'default', rather than as a specific position of relative advantage.[1] One of the goals of Pākehā anti-racist groups of the 1980s was to enable Pākehā to see their own culture as such, rather than thinking what they did was normal and what other people did was 'ethnic' and strange.[2]

Let's all get our kilts on and go do a big group "Haka" in the spirit of multiculturalism.

[slohairt]

So that means that the Second People (who ever they were, the Danes, the French, the English...) and all subsequent arrivistes in Canada aren't ethnic Canadians. Thanks for clearing that up.

Indeedily-do, neighbourino.

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Let's all get our kilts on and go do a big group "Haka" in the spirit of multiculturalism.

lol...ta

[hospitaller]

Hillbilles? (in the US)

[macwilkin]

Hillbilles? (in the US)

Well, not exactly. Historians debate the origin of the term "hillbilly"; some trace it only to 1900 in a New York newspaper story about the Appalachians, whilst others go further back to the Ulster-Scots supporters of William of Orange.

In any case, a Highlander who settled in North Carolina after the '45 would not be a "hillbilly", as they were not the same as their Ulster-Scots neighbours in terms of politics or religion. Remember, the idea of a "united" Scotland is a relatively recent one; it wasn't too long ago that a Lowlander wouldn't be caught in Highland attire.

So, in my opinion, whilst the term hillbilly has a connection to the Ulster-Scots, I would not use it to describe the descendants of Scots in America. Not all hillbilles were Scots-Irish; some were of English heritage, others German.

And remember, to some in the mountain regions such as the Ozarks and the Appalachians, the term is a pejorative one. I know native Ozarkers who hate the term and will tell you so.

Regards,

Todd