Irish Brath (Sash/fly plaid)

[PiobBear]

Refer back to www.nypdpipesanddrums.com. Unless the back of their mini-fly plaids are flared out across their back, it's not a brat regardless of what they're called. Ancient brats were full blown cloaks, not capes and not plaids. They were trimmed in fur and/or feathers and woven in a wide variety of colors and patterns. The brat was pinned with a brooch over just one shoulder in order to leave the sword arm free. The Royal Irish Ranger in the Photo Gallery is wearing a traditional brat. Where the tradition of the mini-fly as a substitute for a brat got started I don't know but it's not the first time that a new tradition crept in under the tent, especially when it comes to the Irish and the kilt. A duck is a duck is a duck.

Can you provide any documentation that the Irish Defence Forces brat isn't really a brat at all, other than the lack of fur and feathers? Or how the English-style brat worn by pipers of the RIR and NYES is the one true authentic one?

I've posted a photo of a piper in the Royal Irish Rangers wearing the brat (pronounce brot):
http://www.xmarksthescot.com/photopl....php?n=444&w=o

The Royal Irish Ranger in the photo (Pipe Major Tommy Jackson, 2nd Battalion Royal Irish Rangers) is wearing a cloak. This is a photo of Ranger pipers wearing brats; green with a red lining, pinned by the corner at the shoulder British-style; like a fly plaid.

[triolamj]

A duck is a duck is still a duck. Note the drape at the back of the bandmembers in your photo: it's clearly a fly plaid. I also see a tropical white tunic and what looks like North American architecture in the background. You can't even tell from this photo how whatever it is is pinned on.

Note the drape of the obvious brats in these photos:





"A picture is worth a 1,000 words".
"Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear".

[macwilkin]

it's clearly a fly plaid. I also see a tropical white tunic and what looks like North American architecture in the background.

What does that have to do with the price of tea in China? British Army bands frequently tour the US and Canada.

If you look at the D/M's baldric you will see HM the Queen's Royal Cypher and a regimental badge of the old Royal Irish Regiment, similar to the one pictured here:

http://www.army.mod.uk/images/image-.../concert6c.jpg

Regards,

Todd

[Dan R Porter]

Someone had one too many, with all the arguing I would think you were irish

[triolamj]

Simple: They're obviously not wearing their customary uniform. They're not wearing their usual color or style of tunic. Perhaps they're also not wearing their customary brats. Perhaps because they're on tour and a lighter fly plaid takes up less space and weight than a heavy brat. When you travel to a destination where you're going to wear your kilt, do you take all your accesories with you?

I also note that the D/M is not wearing any kind of plaid, any kind of brat, and based on other photos, any kind of kilt. Nice caubeen, though.

[macwilkin]

Simple: They're obviously not wearing their customary uniform. They're not wearing their usual color or style of tunic. Perhaps they're also not wearing their customary brats. Perhaps because they're on tour and a lighter fly plaid takes up less space and weight than a heavy brat. When you travel to a destination where you're going to wear your kilt, do you take all your accesories with you?

I also note that the D/M is not wearing any kind of plaid, any kind of brat, and based on other photos, any kind of kilt. Nice caubeen, though.

Information: http://www.drummajor.net/Pipes/Dress...RoyalIrish.htm.

T.

[PiobBear]

I find it utterly hilarious that someone can argue with a straight face that the Irish Army doesn't know how to wear an Irish brat correctly, but a British Army regiment does!


Thanks for posting your supporting sources with references; that's some quality research!

[Chas]

I hate to tell you, but the last time I saw the Black Watch & Welsh Guards in concert in St. Louis, they were in their full No. 1 dress, including feather bonnets for the Jocks and Bearskins for the Welsh, so I'm not buying your arguement that they would leave everything behind.
T.

Too right. All the British Forces 'display' teams (Red Arrows-Air Display; White Helmets-Motorcycle Display; Red Devils-parachute display) and all the bands (pipe and otherwise) can be hired for events at home and abroad. The default dress for all the bands is No1 Parade Dress which includes medals (not just ribbons). The only exception is during practice sessions.

Regards

Chas

[Bart_In_A_Kilt]

Gee ... when you put it "THAT" way...
:buttkick:

I find it utterly hilarious that someone can argue with a straight face that the Irish Army doesn't know how to wear an Irish brat correctly, but a British Army regiment does!


Thanks for posting your supporting sources with references; that's some quality research!

[Dan R Porter]

I must ask, what is the three "patch looking" items on their kilts, they run down along side the open side of their aprons?