Coat of Arms T-shirt?

[Highland Logan]

I'm looking for my family's Crest on a shirt. NOLAN crest. Like my tattoo.

I think what you're missing is that that coat of arms belongs to a person long sence dead, and not to you. Also of note is the fact that Irish clans don't really exsist in the same way as the Scottish clans did.

Frank

[gilmore]

Irish in ancestry.

Going of the information that was gathered and researched.





http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....ry/page1c.html

Once again, evidence that you can reliably accept maybe less than half of the user-generated genealogy you come across online, on sites like rootsweb, ancestry.com and the Mormon sites.

[Monkey@Arms]

I'm looking for my family's Crest on a shirt. NOLAN crest. Like my tattoo.

Nice ink. I know you were asking an innocent question, but I'm afraid, as you've seen, family crests and the like are a bit of a sticky issue.

The good news is that the arms on your arm are not the colors of an outlaw motorcycle club, so you don't have to worry about anyone claiming ownership and trying to physically remove it.

Wear your tat (and any T-shirt) with the pride of what it personally symbolizes for you (just not in the UK.)

Best regards,

Jake

[Chas]

"Bucket Shops" generally do. <sigh>

Caveat emptor when dealing with places that sell "family crests" and coat-of-arms. It's always best to remember that a coat-of-arms belongs to an individual, and not to a specific surname in Scottish, English and Irish heraldic traditions.

Regards,

Todd

Well said Todd.

I, personally, would go further. These "Bucket Shops" are knowingly selling someone else's property - in other words they are thieves. But worse than that; whereas a common thief will steal something and sell it on, these swine will steal popular arms and sell them again and again and again.

Do not anybody get swayed by thinking that it will be alright if you wear it with 'Pride and Honour'. Tell me where you live; I will come and rob you; then I will use your property with all the pride and honour that I can muster. Is this any different - NO, it is not. Theft is theft. Whether it is a coat of arms or your grandfather's watch, it is still theft.

It can cost upwards of £3,500 to get a coat of arms granted and within days these swine are selling the arms to anyone with the same name. When the new head of the Serbian 'College of Arms' (Nenad M. Jovanovich) had new arms granted to reflect his promotion, he had them posted on the official Serbian Government website. It was discovered by a member of the IAAH that within 4 hours his new arms were on sale from a "Bucket Shop".

If you have your Clan Chief's arms on a garment and decide to wear that garment in Scotland; and if a member of the public sees it and complains then there is no end (in theory) to the penalties that the Lord Lyon could inflict upon you. The Lord Lyon takes the usurpation of another man's arms very seriously and he makes sure that the miscreant takes it very seriously as well. Ask Mohammad al Fayad (the owner of Harrod's), he had a pair of wrought iron gates valued at 1/4 million £ removed by the Lord Lyon because they bore another man's arms.

It is my belief that there is a very special place in hell reserved for people who run Bucket Shops.

Regards

Chas

[Chas]

Hi BigMikeLV and All,

It has been brought to my attention by PM that I might have offended you. That was the furthest thing from my mind and if I have, I apologize unreservedly.

Heraldry has been my life and my passion for about 40 years, so I like to think that I know something about it. What I do know is that Bucket Shops have been duping the public for over 100 years. We all have to trust. When we have toothache, we trust that your dentist is going to treat the right tooth and not just 'pull them all, to be on the safe side'.

We go to a Bucket Shop in the belief that they are professional people, but as gilmore has shown they often can't even do the basic homework to make a convincing lie. It saddens me that they get away with it, year in year out. A work colleague of mine paid hundreds of £s for items with, what he thought were his family coat of arms (Bedford). What he got was a lot of goods with the arms of the town of Bedford. This type of fraud is being perpetuated every day - and they get away with it.

I am truly sorry if my passion for this subject has overridden my normally better judgement.

Regards

Chas

[gilmore]

...It is my belief that there is a very special place in hell reserved for people who run Bucket Shops.

Regards

Chas

If I was Dante, I would place next to them those avaricious tartan merchants and ambitious clan societies that come up with lengthy and bogus lists of clan septs in order to peddle tartan and clan memberships to the unwary, selling every Brown, White and Black on the idea that there is a clan membership just for them. My father fell for this several decades ago, leading one nephew to get a huge clan crest that we have no relationship with tattooed on his back, my sister wasting several days in Scotland looking for genealogical connections that don't exist, and another nephew to buy an expensive kilt in a tartan that has no bearing on our family. The latter's father---my brother---now insists that if he gets a kilt it has to match his son's, regardless of it being a mistaken choice.

I was surprised to see a bucket shop at the Greenville, South Carolina, highland games last summer, selling "family" coats of arms right and left. I was disappointed when I got back home to find that there is no way to contact the games' organizers to protest their sponsoring this crime. I have decided not to attend any of these games again. (Well, the 90 degree heat and humidity also played a part.)

[JSFMACLJR]

I was surprised to see a bucket shop at the Greenville, South Carolina, highland games last summer, selling "family" coats of arms right and left. I was disappointed when I got back home to find that there is no way to contact the games' organizers to protest their sponsoring this crime. I have decided not to attend any of these games again. (Well, the 90 degree heat and humidity also played a part.)

I'll brink this to the attention of some of my Society of Scottish Armigers friends, and see what we can do about it.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I was surprised to see a bucket shop at the Greenville, South Carolina, highland games last summer, selling "family" coats of arms right and left. I was disappointed when I got back home to find that there is no way to contact the games' organizers to protest their sponsoring this crime. I have decided not to attend any of these games again. (Well, the 90 degree heat and humidity also played a part.)

Consider Greenville advised, although I must point out the Greenville Games neither sponsors nor endorses bucket shop heraldry. The problem is, once a vendor sets up, the Games have little or no control over what is sold. That being the case, there isn't much that can be done, given the nature of the games-- it's a one day event-- and pitching someone out on their ear would be more than a little disruptive. But steps can (and have been) taken to see that the offender does not repeat the offense.

Now about the weather... Suck it up! Drink some GatorAide! C'mon back and enjoy the best one-day games in North America! And if you see something that offends you, well... don't look at it. That's, how I deal with ugly folks and white socks!

[CDNSushi]

This comment is pointed at no one in specific... BUT I do feel the need to air one thing.

I think it's incredibly insensitive to call out someone on something (like a coat of arms) that they have spent a LOT of time and money getting tattooed on themselves and telling them that they are wrong in having done so. Fat lot of good it does them now. Tattoos are permanent. Right or wrong, there's no sense in making someone feel bad about it. This is exactly the same thing as what we've talked about in the General kilt forum... It's not very nice to critique someone's kilt outfit, picking out things that are amiss when the person posting the pics did not ask for that...

Here, BigMikeLV did NOT ask anyone to comment on whether his family history came from a bucket shop or whether he has right to something or not. He only asked where he can find a particular crest on a T-Shirt. Nothing more.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I sometimes say that being RIGHT is overrated. What benefit is there for you if you prove someone else wrong? It makes you feel good and the other person feel like crap, and ultimately nothing good comes of it.

[Laird O'the Cowcaddens]

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