Ties, Bowties or Cravats

[DWFII]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but an Ascot is essentially a cravat worn another way. I have cravats that I could tie as a Victorian cravat--around a wing (what Brooks Brothers called a "Newmarket") or upright collar--and another day wear under my shirt as an ascot. And no one would be able to tell the difference.

In fact, Puffer's reference above calls them "Handmade Ascot Cravats."

[The Barry]

For formal occasions, I wear a cravat with a black wing-collard shirt. I love the look.

[puffer]

Someone can correct me if I am wrong but an Ascot is essentially a cravat worn another way. I have cravats that I could tie as a Victorian cravat--around a wing (what Brooks Brothers called a "Newmarket") or upright collar--and another day wear under my shirt as an ascot. And no one would be able to tell the difference.

In fact, Puffer's reference above calls them "Handmade Ascot Cravats."

IMHO, you are correct. But a cravat that is made for wear as an ascot, usually is "shorter" than a "standard cravat. My Ascots average about 39" long whereas my cravats Range from 60" to 72"+( these also are wider, 12"+ & are used for more "intricate" Tying )

puffer

[piperdbh]

I'm not trying to be a threadjacker, but did all sorts of neckwear devolve from scarves, intended to keep the neck warm, but eventually morphing into ornamentation?

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

I'm not trying to be a threadjacker, but did all sorts of neckwear devolve from scarves, intended to keep the neck warm, but eventually morphing into ornamentation?

Yes..

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

For formal events, I have begun wearing a jabot.

This is why it is called a "dress Argyll jacket", and why it is the best all round choice when starting out. With Jabot and cuff it looks very dressy; with a low cut waistcoat and black tie it is the equivalent of a tuxedo; with a five button waistcoat and four-in-hand tie it equal to the dark business suit.

Try that with a Prince Charlie coatee!

[Bugbear]

I'm thinking of something that would be worn under the five button waistcoat, but outside of the shirt. Somewhat like a four-in-hand tie, but more frilly.

Although, my question now is what kind of neck wear was being worn in a lot of the eighteenth century depictions of the American colonials and Founding Father's? Just from memory, it seems like the same kind of jabot, and cravat looking type neck wear.

[beloitpiper]

This is why it is called a "dress Argyll jacket", and why it is the best all round choice when starting out. With Jabot and cuff it looks very dressy; with a low cut waistcoat and black tie it is the equivalent of a tuxedo; with a five button waistcoat and four-in-hand tie it equal to the dark business suit.

Try that with a Prince Charlie coatee!

Agreed, I love how versatile a black Argyll jacket is. I don't think I'll ever buy a PC jacket because I can always dress up the Argyll with a jabot or down with a tie!

[Bugbear]

Agreed, I love how versatile a black Argyll jacket is. I don't think I'll ever buy a PC jacket because I can always dress up the Argyll with a jabot or down with a tie!

Same here; throw in removable buttons, though.

[Jock Scot]

Not with the kilt I know,but just to show that the cravat of a style, probably from the time of Beau Brummell(1700's?) ,we call it a hunting stock, much like Puffer wears, is still worn in the UK today.There is usually a gold safety pin(stock pin), much like a kilt pin, to hold it together, placed in the stock in the V of the jacket.

By the way, this is what we mean by hunting,in the UK.