"Jacobite" garb

[Woodsheal]

...to continue:

According to J. Telfer Dunbar, the earliest definitive image of the "little kilt" is in a portrait of Alasdair Ruadh MacDonnell of Glengarry, dated to the early 1740's. In the painting, Glengarry himself is wearing a belted plaid, but his henchman to the rear has on a philabeg:



It's a bit hard to see, but those who have seen the original describe that kilt as being pleated in its entire circumference, common to the period. Now, that all-round neat pleating would be rather hard to achieve by throwing 4 yards of fabric out on the ground, hand-pleating it, and belting it on - the way modern reenactors don their "great kilts." A drawstring or pleats stitched into place seems more likely.

But, I'm just speculating (gasp!)....

[BobsYourUncle]

A great kick off for the new forum. Cheers!

[dredrush]

Would a "Highland Shirt" from USA Kilts or other retailers be a Jacobite shirt? Or is there a big difference?

[Captain_Cogle]

Would a "Highland Shirt" from USA Kilts or other retailers be a Jacobite shirt? Or is there a big difference?

There is a big difference.

These would be better.
http://www.jpryan.com/details/shirt.html

Or this.
http://www.reconstructinghistory.com...q=2&p=392&w=21

Missy Clark does good work as well.
http://www.barkertownsutlers.com/Men...2/Default.aspx

[Erikm]

Thanks Woodsheal Do you know any place to find one, I have a Highland Sleeved coat but I need the sleevless waistcoat.

It seems I can't get a hold of Missy Clark for months now, and really gave up trying.

Would something like this work or wrong for Jacobite period?

Not sure if the 1750 style was different then something from the 45
http://bellandcompanytraders.com/waistcoats.html

[BoldHighlander]

It seems I can't get a hold of Missy Clark for months now, and really gave up trying.

I know that a couple years ago Missy had severe (heart) issues and had to slow things down. This might explain the lack of response.

[Woodsheal]

Thanks Woodsheal Do you know any place to find one, I have a Highland Sleeved coat but I need the sleevless waistcoat.

It seems I can't get a hold of Missy Clark for months now, and really gave up trying.

Would something like this work or wrong for Jacobite period?

Not sure if the 1750 style was different then something from the 45
http://bellandcompanytraders.com/waistcoats.html

The 1750's style is the right pattern, but too long as offered here. You could buy one and shorten it, or get the 1770's version. The length on the latter is correct for highland garb use, though the V shaped cut-out in the center front is technically not correct for pre-1750 (though lots of guys wear these!).

Check out the "American Rev War" waistcoat here: the inverted V cut-out is less exaggerated, and it would make a good '45 highlander's waistcoat:
http://www.cobbcreek.com/mens_clothing.htm

[Erikm]

Thank you sir for the website I hope Missy is ok,I did not know she had heart trouble

[Scotus]

Brian:

Your photos are excellent examples of the historical representation of the kilt! This is what I meant in that other thread about the Jacobites being serious in their reenacting. I hope others will start similar threads in this section. Thanks, Brian!

[madman79764]

...to continue:

According to J. Telfer Dunbar, the earliest definitive image of the "little kilt" is in a portrait of Alasdair Ruadh MacDonnell of Glengarry, dated to the early 1740's. In the painting, Glengarry himself is wearing a belted plaid, but his henchman to the rear has on a philabeg:



It's a bit hard to see, but those who have seen the original describe that kilt as being pleated in its entire circumference, common to the period. Now, that all-round neat pleating would be rather hard to achieve by throwing 4 yards of fabric out on the ground, hand-pleating it, and belting it on - the way modern reenactors don their "great kilts." A drawstring or pleats stitched into place seems more likely.

But, I'm just speculating (gasp!)....

I have a question regarding how this praticular period kilt was closed was it with buttons or just a belt?