Historic Painting Thread

[Nick the DSM]

Here are a few more… unfortunately I don’t know much about them.


Best,

Robert

I really like this pic. Especially the dogs. Also the drones on his right shoulder a la Rufus Harley, instead of the left.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Close. I have that painting in a book. It's called "For Better or Worse - Rob Roy and the Baillie", painted by John Watson Nicol in 1886.

Thanks for setting me straight! What's the book, and (if you know) where is the original?

[cavscout]

Here's a link to a book with some great photos from the French and Indian war of Scottish Soldiers

http://books.google.com/books?id=ojN...page&q=&f=true

[cavscout]

These by Griffing have to be included here:

War Dance


Warriors


Jacobite


One of Their Own


Major Grants Piper


Long Way From Home


The Intimidators

[Woodsheal]

The Griffing prints are nice, but are modern renditions of the artist's concept of period dress. Therefore, not nearly as valuable as actual period images for research purposes.
His painting entitled "The Jacobite" for example: it shows a highlander with an "upper crust" clansman's weapons - fine fowling piece and basket-hilt sword - standing there in nothing more than shirtsleeves and a belted plaid. The poorest of the poor might appear in such limited dress, but certainly not a highland gent who could afford such weaponry. In other words, this painting is highly inaccurate, and gives a false impression of actual period dress.
A thread like this should be limited to truely "historic" images from the period, not modern interpretations. N. C. Wyeth illustrations from "Kidnapped" would be another example of gorgeous - but not necessarily historic - renderings. Likewise all of those famous - but highly suspect - McIan prints....

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

The Griffing prints are nice, but are modern renditions of the artist's concept of period dress. Therefore, not nearly as valuable as actual period images for research purposes.
His painting entitled "The Jacobite" for example: it shows a highlander with an "upper crust" clansman's weapons - fine fowling piece and basket-hilt sword - standing there in nothing more than shirtsleeves and a belted plaid. The poorest of the poor might appear in such limited dress, but certainly not a highland gent who could afford such weaponry. In other words, this painting is highly inaccurate, and gives a false impression of actual period dress.
A thread like this should be limited to truely "historic" images from the period, not modern interpretations. N. C. Wyeth illustrations from "Kidnapped" would be another example of gorgeous - but not necessarily historic - renderings. Likewise all of those famous - but highly suspect - McIan prints....

I know where you are coming from, but frankly I think there is a great deal to be learned from the discussions that you and others have regarding the inaccuracies of some of the modern painting. These exchanges often bring out tidbits of knowledge that might otherwise be by-passed in the assumption that something is self-evident in an historically accurate painting.

Besides, they are great eye candy!

[M. A. C. Newsome]

Regarding the MacIan portraits, some in that series depict contemporary dress, and so can be relied upon to reflect the actual dress as the artist saw it. Others, as you have correctly stated, are meant to depict historic dress from various periods, and are usually not very accurate at all. We know a lot more about historic attire today than James Logan or Robert MacIan did in the 1840s.

[Morris at Heathfield]

Thanks for setting me straight! What's the book, and (if you know) where is the original?

The book is The Complete Book of Tartan. Its accuracy is a bit spotty in places, but it has some nice pictures. I'll have to scan and upload some of them when I get the time.

The painting of Rob Roy is part of the Bridgeman Art Library. The original is owned by the Sheffield Galleries & Museums Trust, and is apparently housed in the Graves Gallery:

Surrey Street
Sheffield
South Yorkshire
S1 1XZ

[sirdaniel1975]

[BoldHighlander]

Note the pleats going all the way around the front: