geneology questions

[zenney19]

Morning, xmts!

my scot side comes from the prentices, who connect me to the Gray clan

now the irish in me comes from the Monck family who followed william over

which is ironic because both of my celtic femilies came from france at some point. i was wondering if anyone knows whether Monck has any older family ties and clans its associated with

(im doing research miself as well)
thanks

[TecScot]

In gemological research, a useful tool is the "Soundex" RootsWeb has an online version. You may find some useful variation in your surname there.

http://resources.rootsweb.ancestry.c...undexconverter

Don't let any clear connection to Scotland slow your kilt wearing though.

Good luck from western Washington.

[Bruno]

a lot of famous and not so famous Scots fled to France and Europe especially if they were on the losing side of a conflict. This has happened for centuries. Even Charlie was a foreign "Scot" who needed interpreters to talk to his subjects. So do not take the French connection as being a negative a lot of French connections in Scotland and vice Versa. They were enemies of england and the old saying applied my enemies enemy is your friend.

[sirdaniel1975]

a lot of famous and not so famous Scots fled to France and Europe especially if they were on the losing side of a conflict. This has happened for centuries. Even Charlie was a foreign "Scot" who needed interpreters to talk to his subjects. So do not take the French connection as being a negative a lot of French connections in Scotland and vice Versa. They were enemies of england and the old saying applied my enemies enemy is your friend.

It's believed now that Charlie knew Gaelic and/or broad Scots. After Culloden he spent time with different individuals and without his command staff to protect and throw off the enemy. The Seven Men of Glenmoriston are just a perfect example of him spending time alone with common highlanders. In fact, they spent much of their time together in a cave and they had to tell Charlie that he had to remain longer and not go on any further to the prearranged destination to avoid capture.

[zenney19]

i wasnt complainin about my french roots by any means. i was simply wondering if anyone knew where Monck comes from

[Bruno]

It's believed now that Charlie knew Gaelic and/or broad Scots. After Culloden he spent time with different individuals and without his command staff to protect and throw off the enemy. The Seven Men of Glenmoriston are just a perfect example of him spending time alone with common highlanders. In fact, they spent much of their time together in a cave and they had to tell Charlie that he had to remain longer and not go on any further to the prearranged destination to avoid capture.

Sadly No one in Scotland can communicate in Gaelic across the country. For example I have seen on many many occasions a Gael from say Lewis talk to a Skye Gael or Harris Gael and give up after a few minutes due to the fact they can not communicate, then start using English. These communities live a short ferry ride apart over the Minch and in the case of Harris on the same island. So that research is laughable, obviously based on an academics work, who has never tried this in the real world.

As many of you know I live on the Isle of Lewis/Harris know this island has 2 variant languages on each side, Ie Harris half and Lewis half. So some folk in the old tongue can not properly talk to some one 3/4 miles away.

The thing is that most different forms of old Gaelic that would have been around then were so different no one was able to do that. Its this modern stuff they push that's getting standardised. The fact is after campaigning here Charlie naturally picked up some language but on arrival had none. He would definitely need many translators. Even now many people in Scotland only speak Gaelic and have no english back then it would be far worse for him to communicate.

[Jock Scot]

It's believed now that Charlie knew Gaelic and/or broad Scots. After Culloden he spent time with different individuals and without his command staff to protect and throw off the enemy. The Seven Men of Glenmoriston are just a perfect example of him spending time alone with common highlanders. In fact, they spent much of their time together in a cave and they had to tell Charlie that he had to remain longer and not go on any further to the prearranged destination to avoid capture.

Er, I think you mean "the seven men of Moidart" not Glen Moriston and far from being in the company of common highlanders, five were Irish, there was at least one Marquis, two knights, and a Colonel amongst them.

Dont forget there is a strong French connection to Scotland through the Normans dating back to 1066, or just after.

I have just checked with the higher authority ,my wife, who tells me quite correctly that there were also "7 men of Glen Moriston" as well. I did not know that, even after living within a few miles of the place for nearly 70 years! I do apologise to you all.

[Jock Scot]

There was a General George Monk 1608-70. A first rate British general with a very interesting history that is too long to relate here. Try google.

[sirdaniel1975]

Sadly No one in Scotland can communicate in Gaelic across the country. For example I have seen on many many occasions a Gael from say Lewis talk to a Skye Gael or Harris Gael and give up after a few minutes due to the fact they can not communicate, then start using English. These communities live a short ferry ride apart over the Minch and in the case of Harris on the same island. So that research is laughable, obviously based on an academics work, who has never tried this in the real world.

As many of you know I live on the Isle of Lewis/Harris know this island has 2 variant languages on each side, Ie Harris half and Lewis half. So some folk in the old tongue can not properly talk to some one 3/4 miles away.

The thing is that most different forms of old Gaelic that would have been around then were so different no one was able to do that. Its this modern stuff they push that's getting standardised. The fact is after campaigning here Charlie naturally picked up some language but on arrival had none. He would definitely need many translators. Even now many people in Scotland only speak Gaelic and have no english back then it would be far worse for him to communicate.

A little different in 1746.

[sirdaniel1975]

Er, I think you mean "the seven men of Moidart" not Glen Moriston and far from being in the company of common highlanders, five were Irish, there was at least one Marquis, two knights, and a Colonel amongst them.

Dont forget there is a strong French connection to Scotland through the Normans dating back to 1066, or just after.

I have just checked with the higher authority ,my wife, who tells me quite correctly that there were also "7 men of Glen Moriston" as well. I did not know that, even after living within a few miles of the place for nearly 70 years! I do apologise to you all.

No I mean the Seven men of Glenmoriston, post Culloden.