Correct Term

**Freelancer** · 8th November 09, 01:24 PM

I snapped this photo in the Great Hall of Stirling Castle. Just wondering what the correct term would be to describe it. Scottish: Crest? Seal? Coat of Arms? Thanks.

**sathor** · 8th November 09, 02:11 PM

It's a Tapestry

**thescot** · 8th November 09, 02:23 PM

I believe that is an example of the arms of the queen, or anyone who is the monarch of Scotland.

**Paul** · 8th November 09, 03:01 PM

It's a form of the Scottish Royal Coat of Arms.
Technically it is no longer in effect as Scotland is no longer a Kingdom in itself and has not been since 1603.

**Jock Scot** · 8th November 09, 03:05 PM

I would call it a Coat of Arms.

**MacMillan of Rathdown** · 8th November 09, 04:49 PM

It is the full achievement (shield, helmet, crest, supporters, and motto) of the arms of the Scottish sovereign. In this instance the arms (the shield) is encircled with the collar of the Order of the Thistle.

**JSFMACLJR** · 8th November 09, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Paul.

It's a form of the Scottish Royal Coat of Arms.
Technically it is no longer in effect as Scotland is no longer a Kingdom in itself and has not been since 1603.

Technically it IS in effect. Those are the ensigns armorial of the King of Scots. The current bearer of these ensigns armorial is HM The Queen.

You doubt the legitimacy of these arms? Is the Lion Rampant banner used officially in Scotland? Of course it is. It is the banner form of the shield of this coat of arms.

**MacMillan of Rathdown** · 8th November 09, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Paul.

It's a form of the Scottish Royal Coat of Arms.
Technically it is no longer in effect as Scotland is no longer a Kingdom in itself and has not been since 1603.

Scotland was (until the Union of Parliaments in 1707) a totally independent kingdom. In more modern times the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary (two kingdoms with a common monarch) would be comparable to the status of Scotland within the United Kingdom prior to the union of parliaments.

At the end of WWI the Austrian government moved to abolish the monarchy, but no such action took place in Hungary with the result that Dr. Otto Habsburg is still the de jure king of Hungary.

**macwilkin** · 8th November 09, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown

Scotland was (until the Union of Parliaments in 1707) a totally independent kingdom. In more modern times the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary (two kingdoms with a common monarch) would be comparable to the status of Scotland within the United Kingdom prior to the union of parliaments.

At the end of WWI the Austrian government moved to abolish the monarchy, but no such action took place in Hungary with the result that Dr. Otto Habsburg is still the de jure king of Hungary.

And it was a Scot, Colonel EL Strutt of the Royal Scots, who kept his father, Blessed Karl of Austria, from giving up the throne of Hungary.

T.