An Apology

**Tartanraven** · 10th March 10, 09:45 PM

It seems that I hijacked a thread regarding honourary and post related titles.
I will say that I did get way over opinionated, and wish to make an apology regarding my posts. It's not my intention to spread discontent or avarice here, and it seems that my posts did in fact inflame quite a few. I will at this point retire from the issue and restrict my activity to just reading the volumes of valuable information and insight herein. Again, I offer my apology as my input was severely out of bounds and not very objective. In short, I was nae acting in a manner consistent with my station and responsibilities to this forum and it's rules, nor with my position in Scottish society both here and abroad. I wish nothing but future popularity and prosperity to this forum, and the educated people whom post within.

Lord Scott William Ellis Harvey - Amiger of the name Harvey - Hereditary Lord of Ravensworth - Member of the board of directors Seven Rivers Highland Society

**azwildcat96** · 10th March 10, 10:11 PM

I read that thread, and even participated in it. I would hope that anyone/everyone that your apology is directed at will accept it. As you/we all know, it takes thick skin to wear a kilt in this day and age, so a few words here in a thread should roll off like water on a ducks back.

Anyone can write stuff here...but in my opinion it takes huge stones to own up to what was typed, and acknowledge its' effect on others. That is a big step in earning respect or admiration of others.

**Tartanraven** · 10th March 10, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by azwildcat96

I read that thread, and even participated in it. I would hope that anyone/everyone that your apology is directed at will accept it. As you/we all know, it takes thick skin to wear a kilt in this day and age, so a few words here in a thread should roll off like water on a ducks back.

Anyone can write stuff here...but in my opinion it takes huge stones to own up to what was typed, and acknowledge its' effect on others. That is a big step in earning respect or admiration of others.

My apology was directed to the entire forum membership. I dont presume to ever earn respect or admiration...but I do feel quite bad that I behaved the way I do. As far as acceptance...consider this messsage I recieved.

Your apology was not directed at me. If it were, I would accept it. But there was much that you have written that I do not care for. Far too many of your 38 posts have been rude and vulgar. I would recommend that you impose on yourself at least several months of non-posting time.

Take time to get a better feel of the forum, its personalities, tendencies and mores.

I'm down..but I fully expect to be kicked just the same...hell, I earned it.
Again...I dont have the time to message an apology to every single member, but as a whole, I'm quite sorry and rather ashamed.

**ForresterModern** · 11th March 10, 03:09 AM

Personally I would believe the hatchet to be buried, water under the bridge, lessons learned (by many, not just TR), and mea culpas proferred. I do not believe any kicks while down were intended, but often when one is already wounded, any additional contact, such as a supportive and guiding hand on the shoulder, may feel much more painful to the recipient than intended by the sender.
I for one was not in the line of fire in re: the thread in question, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but I agree with your anonymous, at least to us, provider of advice that taking a little more time to observe and get to know better the other forum members, the tone and tenor of the typical and sometimes heated discussions had on these pages, and the unique combination of wisdom, knowledge, viewpoints and opinions available to a visitor or member on this forum, before allowing one's hackles to become raised in any significant degree by anything said or implied herein in the future. These times of change are hard on all involved and observing.

So I say, put it down, shake hands, retire to a neutral corner, and come out----nope, not fighting, but friends, as we all now know each other a little bit better than before, and can be ladies and gentlemen of xmarks whether or not we carry different opinions on the variety of subjects discussed within these hallowed cyber-halls. 'Nuff said for all involved?

jeff

**cessna152towser** · 11th March 10, 03:16 AM

No problem, Tartanraven. At times I have also upset a few people on the forum. Sometimes remarks which have been intended to be helpful have been lost in the translation between Scottish English and American English and have caused unintended offence on the other side of the Atlantic.
You have shown yourself a real man by having the balls to tender a written apology on open forum.
Now it is time to move on and enjoy the forum and its cameraderie.
I am sure all will soon be forgiven and forgotten by all.

**KFCarter** · 11th March 10, 05:30 AM

Most of us have, at times, pushed "submit" sooner than we might have. In person, blunt speech is delivered in the context of tone of voice and personality... and all of that nuance is lost on a web forum or email where the words just sit there in black and white. Much of the writer's true intent can be lost. With that in mind, a good editorial pass through the text before posting can do wonders to head off any unintended offense.

Thanks for taking the time to consider the response of others and to offer your apology in such a public fashion.

best regards

Ken

**thescot** · 11th March 10, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Tartanraven

It seems that I hijacked a thread regarding honourary and post related titles.
I will say that I did get way over opinionated, and wish to make an apology regarding my posts. It's not my intention to spread discontent or avarice here, and it seems that my posts did in fact inflame quite a few. I will at this point retire from the issue and restrict my activity to just reading the volumes of valuable information and insight herein. Again, I offer my apology as my input was severely out of bounds and not very objective. In short, I was nae acting in a manner consistent with my station and responsibilities to this forum and it's rules, nor with my position in Scottish society both here and abroad. I wish nothing but future popularity and prosperity to this forum, and the educated people whom post within.

Lord Scott William Ellis Harvey - Amiger of the name Harvey - Hereditary Lord of Ravensworth - Member of the board of directors Seven Rivers Highland Society

You are obviously a gentleman, and I cannot imagine any person so base as to refuse so gracious and heartfelt a sentiment.

I not only think you have done a great service to yourself and the forum, but I, too, would offer an apololgy to anyone I have offended in any way, you included. LIfe is too short for such things--and believe me, I know how short life is. See my tag at the bottom.

Thank you.

**JSFMACLJR** · 11th March 10, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by Tartanraven

Lord Scott William Ellis Harvey - Amiger of the name Harvey - Hereditary Lord of Ravensworth - Member of the board of directors Seven Rivers Highland Society

Can you tell us something about your "title"? Baron Ravensworth is a Liddell and UK peer, certainly not Scottish and certainly not a Harvey. There are several Harveys listed in An Ordinary of Arms, vol. II. Do you bear arms granted by Lord Lyon King of Arms?

**starbkjrus** · 11th March 10, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Can you tell us something about your "title"? Baron Ravensworth is a Liddell and UK peer, certainly not Scottish and certainly not a Harvey. There are several Harveys listed in An Ordinary of Arms, vol. II. Do you bear arms granted by Lord Lyon King of Arms?

Thank you Sandy. That interests me as well.....

**Tartanraven** · 11th March 10, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by JSFMACLJR

Can you tell us something about your "title"? Baron Ravensworth is a Liddell and UK peer, certainly not Scottish and certainly not a Harvey. There are several Harveys listed in An Ordinary of Arms, vol. II. Do you bear arms granted by Lord Lyon King of Arms?

Good question! The Baron Ravenworth is Liddel, for the past 17 generations I believe. That family is the current owner of Ravensworth outside of Suffolk England. My title is a metriculation reaching back to my 23rd Great Grandfather Henry FitzHervey De Ravensworth. I'm not a Peer, just one who bears a hereditary bearing. I was born in Aberdeen, on Queens Den Rd, on the west side, but grew up (attempted to at any rate) for the past 30 years in the US. My second cousin is Lord Scottye McClain Of Mull, who also happens to live about 3 miles from me here in Missouri.