Time for a New York State tartan?

**Woodsheal** · 28th April 10, 12:29 PM

Great! If our Lodge brothers can't help us, who can...?

**Brian K** · 28th April 10, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Woodsheal

Great! If our Lodge brothers can't help us, who can...?

LOL - well, I've only seen them in Lodge a handful of times in the last 30 years, but there is a connection....I'll try not to let it slip that I'm a Democrat

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**Seumas52** · 28th April 10, 01:15 PM

[QUOTE=Brian K;878455]I like your enthusiasm, Brian, but so far there have been 10 responses from members besides you and me and I've had one private message dealing with the issue of using the Scotweb tartan designer. Of the 10 posts supporting the idea only 7 were from New Yorkers. Is that enough support to proceed and are we sure mine is the design to go with?

I am a New Yorker and I like it, and would be proud to wear it. I say go for it.

**ccga3359** · 28th April 10, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by Brian K

I like your enthusiasm, Brian, but so far there have been 10 responses from members besides you and me and I've had one private message dealing with the issue of using the Scotweb tartan designer. Of the 10 posts supporting the idea only 7 were from New Yorkers. Is that enough support to proceed and are we sure mine is the design to go with?

I'd think if just one person wanted it and with the support of a enthusiastic legislator then you could get it passed. I would think this is how the Ontario tartan was passed a few years ago. The ensign of Ontario was designed in 1967 and it seems was was the unofficial "official" tartan of Ontario all this time. It's even shown as that on government websites*.

As a proud New Yorker do you not have a right to have a tartan to show that pride? In short go for it, if no one else is submitting a design you might as well get yours adopted. A description of the meanings, an acknowledgment of the Scottish heritage and contributions of New York. It'll cost you nothing to submit (except time and effort) and mere moments to pass. Perhaps I shouldn't be throwing in my opinions but I wish to support my closest neighbours.

*It appears that they've recognised the new official tartan but they still show Ensign of Ontario.

**BruceK** · 28th April 10, 07:40 PM

I want a kilt in this! I preferred the first version but have liked all of the modified ones I've seen. Sign me up!!

**Brian K** · 28th April 10, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by BruceK

I want a kilt in this! I preferred the first version but have liked all of the modified ones I've seen. Sign me up!!

Well, Bruce, as Nick has waived his rights it looks like we'll go with the original, or a variation of it.

I spoke with my County Legislator today and she knows each of the 4 Assemblymen whose districts cover our county and she'll see what she can find out about the way we need to approach this to have it work.

I've also contacted another X Marks member who has designed and registered a few tartans, and whose judgment I trust implicitly. I think I have only once disagreed with her over a design element and, believe me, we have critiqued a lot of each other's tartans. If she says there's a way to improve this design for our purposes I'll post her suggestions.

In any event, Bruce, if the project falls through, I am sure Nick at Scotweb would be happy to have cloth woven and, if you'd like, have a kilt fashioned for you. This would, of course, apply to anyone else who'd like a kilt in this tartan. Nick may have waived his rights, but if it remains a private design I would prefer that those who wish it would go through Scotweb.

Regards,

Brian

**beerbecue** · 28th April 10, 08:10 PM

Sorry to be the dissenting voice.... but....

to my taste, it just seems a little 'busy'.... too many 'small' components in my opinion...

The colors and the themes can really be applied to almost any state...

I appreciate the thought and work, but it just doesn't say NY to me....

There are some beautiful blue colors in the state flag

http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/tim...state-flag.jpg

The state bird is the eastern bluebird, the state tree is the maple, the state fruit is the apple, the state insect is the ladybug, the state gem is the garnet, the state bush is the lilac

I think more blue - perhaps as the dominant background color... with stripes/components representing the state symbols... some very nice colors there....

**Brian K** · 28th April 10, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by beerbecue

Sorry to be the dissenting voice.... but....

to my taste, it just seems a little 'busy'.... too many 'small' components in my opinion...

The colors and the themes can really be applied to almost any state...

I appreciate the thought and work, but it just doesn't say NY to me....

Thanks, beerbecue - love your avatar, BTW (even though I can't abide beer) - I have no problem with dissent. That's one of the reasons I started this thread. I wanted to see what people thought of the design or if someone had alternate ideas. Perhaps I'll simplify it a bit and see what everyone thinks. If you think it's busy you should see one of the many versions of the basic Anderson clan tartan. I love it but it can make your eyes cross

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Do you have any suggestions as to how you'd like to see it changed, or what would make it "say New York" to you?

Regards,

Brian

PS - LOL, Beer, looks like you were editing as I was replying - Thanks.

**Woodsheal** · 29th April 10, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by beerbecue

The state bird is the eastern bluebird, the state tree is the maple, the state fruit is the apple, the state insect is the ladybug, the state gem is the garnet, the state bush is the lilac

I think more blue - perhaps as the dominant background color... with stripes/components representing the state symbols... some very nice colors there....

Incorporating so many elements would really yield a "busy" tartan, IMHO!
Lots of folks like predominently blue tartans. I'm not one of them. (Like many of my Texas friends, I think the "Bluebonnet" sett is ghastly!) I much prefer the green ground, as it emphasizes the rural aspect of our state (an aspect many non-New Yorkers find surprising!)....

**beerbecue** · 29th April 10, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Woodsheal

Incorporating so many elements would really yield a "busy" tartan, IMHO!
Lots of folks like predominently blue tartans. I'm not one of them. (Like many of my Texas friends, I think the "Bluebonnet" sett is ghastly!) I much prefer the green ground, as it emphasizes the rural aspect of our state (an aspect many non-New Yorkers find surprising!)....

A green ground would be fine, too.... I was just looking at it from the kilt construction perspective... as it is (and I do like some of the color choices) - it may be difficult to pleat to the stripe...

I may play around today and at least give an idea of what I am talking about...