We are all kilted sinners! Oh no!! :-)

[Lallans]

I just hope I never drive by a barn painted with the slogan "The Wages Of Kilts Is Death!"

[Mike_Oettle]

Canuck in NI wrote: “The Wages of Kilts Is Death!”



There have been several references to what PiperDBH called “old King Jimmy's Bible”.
Many people still quote the King James Bible (or Authorised Version) because it is what they grew up with (I still have the AV that my grandmother gave me when I was confirmed).
It is also a translation that resonates with the English-speaking culture, partly because it has been around for so long, partly because it is very similar to Shakespearean language, partly because its meaning is very close to that of the original Hebrew, and partly because it is more familiar to most English-speakers than any particular modern translation.
This is not to say it is infallible. Its source texts have been shown to contain errors, which have been rectified in later translations through reference to older documents.
The OP is not alone, however, in believing it to be inerrant. Various sects put forward this belief.
Some of them place so much reliance on this claim that they are genuinely convinced of entirely false teachings.
Take this man’s preaching from whence it comes.
Regards,
Mike

[biblemonkey]

To reinject a little giggle worthiness, here is a direct quote from his erroneous supposition.

I've never seen a construction worker wearing a kilt. I've never seen a truck mechanic or a coal miner wearing a kilt. I only see men with clean jobs, or playing bagpipes, wearing kilts. Kilts are for men in the palace, not for John the Baptist type men ... real men!

I bet there are quite few rugged and ready types in kilts out there who would LOVE to make this guy's aquaintance.

Let's see, I know a 6'-6" construction worker who kilts on the job, we have here a number of highland games strong-men, some woodsmen and explorers of the wilderness, and last but not least, martial artists. Most of whom wear kilts during said activities. Manly enough for ya?

Hugh

P.S. Alan? You're right.

[Nighthawk]

So "soft raiment" being effeminate, if we just went back to the old-style "hard tartan" we'd be fine, hard being manly and all, right? If you've got your hard on instead of soft fabric, all's good!

...I have to ask... Was that a Fruedian slip or did you say it on purpose? Either way, I just about fell over laughing!

Hawk, nice to meet someone else who has a copy of Vines! Although you should check out the William Mounce dictionary, it's a little more up to date on a lot of the Greek. I also compliment your post, as a person who is pretty well versed in religious studies, I can see you put a lot of thought into it. I almost made a similar breakdown earlier in the thread, but I frankly, I didn't want to do so much typing!

I agree this thread is (or should be) more about the "fact vs faith" or "opinion based on scripture" aspect of Stewart's crazy website.

But to be clear, I didn't feel the need to weigh in further on the crazy website. Basically the only point I was making, was that I feel like some posts in the thread were singled out as problematic for the sole reason that they represented a, shall we say, minority viewpoint on this forum.

I don't like to seem as trying to get in a 'last word' but that will be it from me on the subject.

With that being the case, I misunderstood you! Stupid internet... So hard to get voice inflection!!

Let's see, I know a 6'-6" construction worker who kilts on the job, we have here a number of highland games strong-men, some woodsmen and explorers of the wilderness, and last but not least, martial artists. Most of whom wear kilts during said activities. Manly enough for ya?

Hugh

P.S. Alan? You're right.

I'm one of 'em... I fight with broadsword and backsword, and I study 2 Asian and one European style of martial arts.

[Dale Seago]

...I have to ask... Was that a Fruedian slip or did you say it on purpose? Either way, I just about fell over laughing!

Given that the Mods are obviously (and appropriately) watching this thread, I can neither confirm nor deny. . .

. . .I fight with broadsword and backsword, and I study 2 Asian and one European style of martial arts.

Way cool. Next time I'm in the Denver area to visit my parents & brother and/or to teach a Bujinkan seminar, I'll make a point of letting you know so we can meet!

[Bugbear]

... Way cool. Next time I'm in the Denver area to visit my parents & brother and/or to teach a Bujinkan seminar, I'll make a point of letting you know so we can meet!

Oh no! Nighthawk, he's going to come up there and kick your butt!

* Decided to remove the MOR quote.

[Nighthawk]

Given that the Mods are obviously (and appropriately) watching this thread, I can neither confirm nor deny. . .



Way cool. Next time I'm in the Denver area to visit my parents & brother and/or to teach a Bujinkan seminar, I'll make a point of letting you know so we can meet!

No kidding!! I'd love to meet for that! I study Shotokan karate and Jujitsu.

[Woodsman]

Hold it....I think I can put an end to this whole thread by just posting that photo of God wearing his kilt. I know that I saw it somewhere..... Ah yes, if I recall correctly, he was standing with Lord Baden Powell in his kilt. Now let me see...

[OC Richard]

Many people still quote the King James Bible (or Authorised Version) because it is what they grew up with... it has been around for so long... it is very similar to Shakespearean language...its meaning is very close to that of the original Hebrew...it is more familiar to most English-speakers than any particular modern translation.

I think it's more than just being around a long time. Nobody remembers the Cloverdale/Tyndale, Taverner, Cranmer (Great Bible), Geneva, or Bishop's bible which came out in the years leading up to the King James.

It's because the committee that wrote the King James (yes it's one of the few good things to be created by committee) put a huge emphasis on the poetry of the language. It was meant to sound good read out loud. The committee considered a number of translations for each passage and chose the one that sounded the best.

Our modern translations all sound to me like they're written by scholars, not poets. They're very accurate to the original Greek (NT), much more accurate than the King James, because we have older manuscripts to work from today, and better scholarship to understand them. But when I read them they sound wooden and stiff (at best) and clumsy and unidiomatic (at worst). Some modern translations have a bizarre mix of modern slang and formal language.

Off topic I know! But interesting stuff to me at least.

On topic: I work with a guy who might be the poster child for narrowminded judgemental Christians, and when I told him about this thread, even HE thought this kiltwearing-sinful-guy is an idiot. (As a former Marine he views the kilt as a warlike garment, not an effeminate one.)

[Mike_Oettle]

OC Richard is correct in saying that the King James sounds better because the most poetic versions were picked.
And not wrong either in saying that Coverdale and Tyndale are not remembered. But the AV does include passages from both those early translators. In fact one of the objects in creating that translation was to be as conservative as possible.
In London, at any rate, most people were using “you” instead of “thee/thou”, but in the AV the use of “you” is limited to the plural and honorific usages, and is also not applied to God.

Morris at Heathfield has a point regarding Barbarians and Scythians, but there are no specific Barbarians of Scythians named anywhere in the New Testament (much less the OT).

Anne, I would love to hear you reading from the King James Bible. Your broad pronunciation would resonate well with it.
Regards,
Mike