Fake Scots Titles

[macwilkin]

What about the Masonic Royal Order of Scotland? Captmac and I are not Masons, but we know folks who belong to the Royal Order of Scotland and actually sign their checks "Lord" or "Lady." and claim that when they go to Scotland, they get the honor of being referred to as such.
I have been curious if this is correct, and would welcome edification on it.

Thank you

That is most certainly not correct for the ROS. That isn't even the correct title for a member, and a gentleman's membership really has no relation to what his wife is called.

The ROS is an appendant body of Freemasonry, whose members already obtained the highest rank in the craft: Master Mason.

T.

[macwilkin]

I am with you one hundred percent on this and the far more important task of "outing" the more serious bogus title holders too, but I will have no truck with this cloak and dagger idea that appears to be the style of the "goodies" on the website mentioned above.

Alright, openly discussing tactics and strategy is a distinctly unwise course to take, but we are not talking MI5 here and not openly declaring who is involved is to my mind, unacceptable and lays the whole idea open to justified criticism.

For me, I shall continue just openly laughing at these poor deluded souls, most of whom appear, to me at least, to pick some damn stupid titles!!

On a lighter note, I did the sum too and I can think of one or two acres that would fit the bill a treat!

I can understand John's hesitation to reveal the names of the designers; a number of years ago, an Irish genealogist was physically threatened by the followers of a known pretender for his work in revealing the latter's fake pedigree.

T.

[SlackerDrummer]

I fear the decision to allow the legal sale of feudal baronies has only made the sale of fake titles are the more easy to perpetrate on innocents.

[Jock Scot]

I can understand John's hesitation to reveal the names of the designers; a number of years ago, an Irish genealogist was physically threatened by the followers of a known pretender for his work in revealing the latter's fake pedigree.

T.

Let me make it very plain here, that I am not talking about, or including, those that have bought a square yard of the Highlands for a bit of fun in the following:-

Yes I understand John's reasoning too and whilst physical threats are an extreme reaction from an inadequate person to having his vanity pricked, it is the risk that any one takes when treading on sensitive toes. And when all said and done, this new website is all about deliberately treading on the very sensitive toes of inadequates!



As the saying goes:-

"If you don't like the heat then get out of the kitchen"

[macwilkin]

Let me make it very plain here, that I am not talking about, or including, those that have bought a square yard of the Highlands for a bit of fun in the following:-

Yes I understand John's reasoning too and whilst physical threats are an extreme reaction from an inadequate person to having his vanity pricked, it is the risk that any one takes when treading on sensitive toes. And when all said and done, this new website is all about deliberately treading on the very sensitive toes of inadequates!



As the saying goes:-

"If you don't like the heat then get out of the kitchen"

Point well taken, Jock. I really don't have a feeling one way or the other on the author's identification -- or lack thereof. Just offering an observation.

T.

[Bluescelt]

As Jock said, people doing this for a bit of fun is not a serious matter. But to spend money for a worthless and meaningless piece of paper puzzles me. I know the vast majority of the people doing this have no intention of perpetrating the fraud of being a Laird or any other titled person but after reading up on this I'd hate to see some unsuspecting person get prosecuted for using a false title in Scotland.

[Sketraw]

Sorry, but in my opinion I dont see these peddlers of fake titles and their so called claims of land preservation of a bog in Caithness, for example, as a bit of FUN! To me it is degrading to Scotland and also devalues people with real Lairdships and other titles and makes it difficult for people to understand what is genuine and what is not.

If you purchased an item from a shop £29.95 and it didn't do what it said on the tin, you would have something to say, wouldn't you? Or, even worse, you bought something, thinking you owned it and found out in reality it wasent yours!

[Jock Scot]

Sorry, but in my opinion I dont see these peddlers of fake titles and their so called claims of land preservation of a bog in Caithness, for example, as a bit of FUN! To me it is degrading to Scotland and also devalues people with real Lairdships and other titles and makes it difficult for people to understand what is genuine and what is not.

If you purchased an item from a shop £29.95 and it didn't do what it said on the tin, you would have something to say, wouldn't you? Or, even worse, you bought something, thinking you owned it and found out in reality it wasent yours!

I hear what you say and of course you are quite correct. However the people buying their wee plot, from what I can see, have no great expectations and do just regard it as a bit of fun. The vendors do and have taken advantage of this and if this profitable racket could be stopped then all to the good.

But the above pales into insignificance when compared with the bogus major titles and pedigrees that some parade around with, who take advantage of peoples goodwill etc in a major way. These in my book are the major villains of this rather sad situation, particularly as threats of violence are bandied about.

[Detroitpete]

Seems that esse quam videri is a lost concept to some.

[Sketraw]

But the above pales into insignificance when compared with the bogus major titles and pedigrees that some parade around with, who take advantage of peoples goodwill etc in a major way. These in my book are the major villains of this rather sad situation, particularly as threats of violence are bandied about.

You are correct Jock, however it is one of the few historic Scottish Titles left and some do misuse the Laird title by converting it to Lord for one thing and do use it for villainies purposes as well as self aggrandisement.