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    Reading above, I was thinking of mordants, but someone mentioned. Different
    mordants yield different colors out of the same dyes. Also, the container in which you do the dying gets involved in the mordanting process_same dye, same mordant, different pot (stainless steel, cast iron, copper) also yields
    different colors. Also how long it sits in dye bath, temperature of dye bath,
    when in the process dye bath is heated. Not as complicated as it sounds.
    Google spinner's and weaver's guild for your area, or talk to native weavers.
    They'll happily share standard practices, then, if you like, you can vary pot
    or temperature or whatever to get shadings you prefer. Your cochineal can be
    paired with various nuts or lichens to provide variety as well. Can be simple,
    can be a long-term study. Fits well with what I've observed of the way your mind seems to work, but only you can gauge your interest.

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    Ya, I was thinking more of growing the bugs and plants from which the dyes are extracted or processed. I already grow some fiber yielding plants, mostly indigenous; thinking of basketry etc. It would be for friends who are artists, rather than for my own use.

    I'm surprised Pleater has not posted yet.
    She knows these things...
    I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
    Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…

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    http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...52/#post959593


    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Ashton View Post
    Ted,

    There are some really good books out there that may help you. Most of the ones on the site I'm linking to are pretty good. A bit technical but full of good information.

    They are also paperbacks which should lay flat enough for your reader.

    http://www.imperial-purple.com/books.html

    So many people today think that early dyes were all plant based. While many were, it was not just the plant extract that was used. Most processes involved the combination of three, or as many as 10 different things. Most of the things were minerals. It was the chemical reaction that occured between the mixed things that produced the color.
    For example in many parts of the world the Cambriam layer of Willow, and willow like, trees mixed with urine and heated, produced a deep black color which could be used as a textile dye or a pigment for paint.

    Another very important part of the dyeing process is the use of Mordants which was mentioned in a previous post. Almost all fiber dyes need a mordant to set the dye.
    Mordants are commonly minerals such as the salts of aluminum, Chromium, Copper, Iron, Potassium and Sodium.
    As was mentioned earlier different Mordants with the same dye would produce different colors. Heat and time are also important.

    In my chemistry days I remember the professor going on and on about some of the things used for dyes and pigments. He used to talk about urine, feces, rotten things and the boiling of these just to watch the girls squirm.

    One of the things that I remember most was the Fulling process. If your name is Fuller you may not want to know where your name comes from.

    The names Fuller, Tucker and Walker are some of those names that come from what you did for a living like Fletcher and Mason.

    Fulling, Tucking or in Scots Gaelic 'Waulking' is the name for the process of cleaning and preparing Wool cloth for dying and/or felting. It entails large wooden vats, Fullers Earth, (or fine dicotomous clay) and all the urine collected from all the slop pots of an entire village. In goes the raw wool cloth, the fullers earth and the urine. Then you climb in and "walk" on it for about four hours.

    The chemical process was due to the ammonium salt content of the urine combing with the aluminum silicate of the Fullers Earth to break up the oils on the wool releasing the dirt.
    Thought the post might be helpful over here too.
    Thanks Steve.
    I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
    Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbear View Post
    I'm surprised Pleater has not posted yet.
    She knows these things...
    I know a little about dyeing and mordants, but only plants and minerals, not when it involves crushing bugs.

    I'm just too tender hearted, I don't even kill greenfly - the mini predators in the garden are often almost spherical, so rich are the pickings.

    Anne the Pleater :ootd:

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    Just think of them as carpet beetles for cacti, Pleater.

    Actually we had moved on to discussing the plant dyes for the most part.
    I tried to ask my inner curmudgeon before posting, but he sprayed me with the garden hose…
    Yes, I have squirrels in my brain…

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