Ruche Tie

[Brian K]

Wow I'm surprised that in a world of utilikilts and leather kilts and other new age kilts there are so many who HATE this look.



So even this looks bad to most if you? I know it's a little dated but not bad looking in my opinion.

Well, I also wouldn't be caught dead in any of the modern style kilts you mentioned.

This picture shows an old fashioned stock/cravat and is quite elegant for formal wear. The ruche tie is anything but elegant. I don't care for ascots because they appear affected and so does the ruche. If you're going to wear a cravat tie it traditionally. Scrunching is for socks and young women's hair ties not for gentlemen's ties. If you want a four in hand style knot you should stick with a four in hand (or other similar) knot on a regular long tie. A tie that is sloppily tied and quite wrinkled may make a fashion statement, as one member said, but unfortunately that statement is that you're a fashion victim. Another reason I don't like it is that whether you wear it with Highland dress or Saxon formal wear it screams hire shop to me.

It may just be wishful thinking on my part, but 5 years from now we'll probably never hear of the ruche tie because it will have given way to another fashion horror worn by parvenus trying to impress everyone around them with how up to date they are.

Regards,

Brian

[Bugbear]

new age kilts...

The harmonic vortex is all wrong for that...

[OC Richard]

I don't like ruche ties and I'll tell you why: they're a recent contrivance which has, as far as I can see, no tradition in Highland Dress.

They strike me as something the kilthire industry recently cooked up.

Now cravats and such, that's another story. It means crossing the line from Traditional Highland Dress into the realm of Historical Clothing. Yes, if I was a re-enactor wearing an early-19th-century Highland costume, complete with an 1820-1840 style sporran, tartan jacket cut to the style of that period, etc, then a cravat would be just the thing, for example with this costume from 1835:



But wearing a cravat with modern traditional Highland Dress would strike my eye as anachronistic, the same as wearing a Beaver Hat would.

The Highlanders of Scotland gives a near-encyclopaedic overview of the Highland Dress of the 1860s including a large number of shoe styles which no longer exist but the neckwear is quite straightforward: nearly all the men are wearing narrow black neckties tied in a bow or tied as a long tie. There are no jabots, cravats, ruche ties, or any such stuff. The ties are occasionally patterned and are sometimes wider.

[Cowher]

I don't think it would look as odd as a beaver hat. A ascot has the same issue as a ruche tie. It might draw too much attention away from the kilt.
I hate to say this because he acts like a grade a b-hole but Scott Disick is someone who takes his fashion seriously. He's on the border of being over the top in his style but I thing he looks damn good. And there are stores that cater to people who dress like him and who don't mind being looked at because of what they are wearing. As kilted people we expect to be looked at for our wears so this is not foreign to us. One place in NYC that carries this type or clothing is Paul Stuart www.paulstuart.com I believe the trick is to assemble a outfit that flows perfectly. And makes a thing like a ascot look in place. People may look at someone wearing a Saxon suit like Scott Disick would wear it and think its Over the top and outrageous but in the same breath the would admit he pulls it off and well.

[Cherub]

I don't think a ruche tie is bad at all, unless it is a cheap, pre-tied version. Try to buy a decent one with some body to the fabric and try tying it a few times before you want to wear it in public. As I've said before, if you are man enough to wear a kilt, you should be man enough wear what you want with it, regardless of what other people like or dislike!

Hear, hear. well said because if you're not know for wearing the kilt you are going to get the "what the hell is that" anyways.

for my self I'd wear one but my tying skills are lacking so i would have to get a dreaded clip on.

[Woodsheal]

Or a silk version of a bandana tied around a cowboys neck.

They look better on cowboys:

[Burly Brute]

I fancy white hose

[SlackerDrummer]

So even this looks bad to most if you? I know it's a little dated but not bad looking in my opinion.

No. That looks wonderful. The Ruche tie, however, is a modern contrivance, a pale imitation of that.

[Arlen]

In my opinion, a well tied 'regular' tie, cravat or jabot looks wonderful. (And on many people, looks much better and more formal than a bow tie.) However, ruche ties are of a design that often leaves them looking cheap and inappropriate. Which is a shame.
Try going for a good neck cloth or a good quality neck tie if you are not into bow ties. (I can't pull off a bow tie at all because I have a short neck.)

[mookien]

Anybody know where I can get a cool bandanna like Viggo's wearing? That would look great with my kilt and a RangerUp T! ;-)