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    So, Father, are you going to get a kilt in the rabbinic tartan? Just asking.
    Last edited by Galician; 8th April 11 at 07:02 AM. Reason: clarify to whom the question is directed

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    Ancestry.com is sort of like Wikipedia....you haven't got the whole story just because you read the wikipedia entry about something.

    "Just appeared in Baltimore"? Not uncommon, either...do any of us really think that all of our ancestors always trod the path of righteousness and always told the truth? You never know...could just be a screw up in the records or somebody hot-footed it outta Dodge for one reason or another and changed their name when they got to a new town. America: the place where you could re-invent yourself. Lots of instances where people decided to go by their mother's maiden name...has happened in my family. One fella in Denver, who did the bulk of the genealogical research back in the 1930's, took his mother's maiden name instead of his patriarchal...don't know why. The African American side of the family has the surname because they were emancipated slaves and took the surname of their former owner. (It may have been just for convenience but I consider it a high compliment to my indirect 19th Century ancestor...I guess that they held him in high enough regard that they didn't totally reject everything about their association with the family.) See...it's complicated.

    It's entirely possible that patience will be your ally here...some things just don't turn up until the time is right; historical facts are often obscured until some new records or letters show up and straightens things out.

    Admirable that you are pursuing this with such vigor. Certainly gives you some great excuses to go on some interesting trips to follow up leads. Sometimes the journey is more exciting than the destination.

    Consider my case: Eastern European surname, mom is Scots on one side (Ulster Scots at that) and Irish on the other and identifies exclusively with the Irish. Any idea how much BS I get for wearing a kilt now and then? Yet I identify with the Scots because I appreciate what I can only refer to as their value system more than those of my other ancestors...who were great, don't get me wrong, but who seem to have had a different spin on things. Obviously, I'm an American; I will never really be a Scot but it hasn't hurt for me to think of the entepreneurs, inventors, artists, writer, soldiers and philosophers of Scotland as role models. Common for members of a diaspora to use the "founders" of their lines as reference points to guide them through this world.

    So it's sort of a state of mind as much as it is a nationality or ethnic classification. I mean, don't get crazy here and start running around yelling "hoot, mon" and "whur's the haggis" or anything but you obviously feel some sort of connection here perhaps with the romantic idea of being descended from Scots (and it may turn out that you'll find that you are) but maybe it's also an admiration for the attributes that have distinguished the Scots throughout history and a desire to identify with those attributes.*

    So enjoy the quest...you never know where it'll lead but discovery is always exciting.

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    *...and I acknowledge that, like everyone else, there have been the odd Scots who turned out to be right basterds...but generally they've contributed more good to the world than bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auld argonian View Post
    Ancestry.com is sort of like Wikipedia....you haven't got the whole story just because you read the wikipedia entry about something.

    "Just appeared in Baltimore"? Not uncommon, either...do any of us really think that all of our ancestors always trod the path of righteousness and always told the truth? You never know...could just be a screw up in the records or somebody hot-footed it outta Dodge for one reason or another and changed their name when they got to a new town.
    Yep - this is the main reason why my next steps involve DNA as well as contacting Maryland genealogists.
    America: the place where you could re-invent yourself. Lots of instances where people decided to go by their mother's maiden name...has happened in my family. One fella in Denver, who did the bulk of the genealogical research back in the 1930's, took his mother's maiden name instead of his patriarchal...don't know why.
    My Dad (and myself, by extension) carry the maiden name of his mother, as he ended up being adopted by his maternal Uncle. So, same book, different story.

    So it's sort of a state of mind as much as it is a nationality or ethnic classification. I mean, don't get crazy here and start running around yelling "hoot, mon" and "whur's the haggis" or anything but you obviously feel some sort of connection here perhaps with the romantic idea of being descended from Scots (and it may turn out that you'll find that you are) but maybe it's also an admiration for the attributes that have distinguished the Scots throughout history and a desire to identify with those attributes.*
    Or maybe it's just that I'm in love with Strength Athletics and the Games were my first "taste"...

    So enjoy the quest...you never know where it'll lead but discovery is always exciting.
    As a man who obviously has been on the same walk, I admire your wise words in this thread. Thanks.


    *...and I acknowledge that, like everyone else, there have been the odd Scots who turned out to be right basterds...but generally they've contributed more good to the world than bad.
    There's a good book aboot that...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the...e_Modern_World

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galician View Post
    So, Father, are you going to get a kilt in the rabbinic tartan? Just asking.
    Actually, I don't think I'd be elegible - I hear that they control that pretty closely.
    Rev'd Father Bill White: Mostly retired Parish Priest & former Elementary Headmaster. Lover of God, dogs, most people, joy, tradition, humour & clarity. Legion Padre, theologian, teacher, philosopher, linguist, encourager of hearts & souls & a firm believer in dignity, decency, & duty. A proud Canadian Sinclair with solid Welsh and other heritage.

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