Moving the buckles-TAKE NOTE

**SlackerDrummer** · 25th April 11, 03:07 PM

How much apron is too much apron? Obviously an altered kilt will not fit as well as one made to your (current) measurements, but it should still fit pretty nicely if the alteration didn't move things too much. So how much too much apron can you have before the whole thing just fits wrong?

**Barb T** · 25th April 11, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer

So how much too much apron can you have before the whole thing just fits wrong?

There actually isn't a universal answer to this, because it depends on the size of the original kilt. The kilt referred to in the following post

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f...oo-much-59745/

has 5 1/2" of apron covering up pleats on each side, but the kilt was big enough to start with that this is surprisingly hard to see. If the kilt had been made for a smaller person, covering up 5 1/2" of pleats on each side would have been unacceptable (e.g., if the kilt had 20" of pleats originally, covering up 5 1/2" on each side would leave only 9" of pleats across the back - wouldn't be acceptable).

Having said all this, I wouldn't hesitate for an average-size guy to move buckles a couple of inches.

**AKScott** · 25th April 11, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by SlackerDrummer

How much apron is too much apron? Obviously an altered kilt will not fit as well as one made to your (current) measurements, but it should still fit pretty nicely if the alteration didn't move things too much. So how much too much apron can you have before the whole thing just fits wrong?

NB: my natural waist is 36"

I just got made to measure tank in today. I bought an inexpensive kilt some time ago so I could get the length measurement correct (which it is, praise God), the inexpensive one is the kilt on which I moved the buckles three inches.

Having moved the both buckles three inches I was (and am) having trouble with the sporran making the front apron on that altered kilt all wonky. Anytime I stand up or walk any significant distance I have to tug the front apron back flat, it gets balled up under the sporran strap on both sides of the sporran. Manageable, to be sure; but a pain in the neck I am relieved to find is not an issue with my properly fitted kilt.

**ChattanCat** · 26th April 11, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by AKScott

NB: my natural waist is 36"

I just got made to measure tank in today. I bought an inexpensive kilt some time ago so I could get the length measurement correct (which it is, praise God), the inexpensive one is the kilt on which I moved the buckles three inches.

Having moved the both buckles three inches I was (and am) having trouble with the sporran making the front apron on that altered kilt all wonky. Anytime I stand up or walk any significant distance I have to tug the front apron back flat, it gets balled up under the sporran strap on both sides of the sporran. Manageable, to be sure; but a pain in the neck I am relieved to find is not an issue with my properly fitted kilt.

I would guess the material plays a more important roll than the fit of the kilt. Is your inexpensive kilt made from acrylic?

Cheers,

**Barb T** · 26th April 11, 05:02 AM

I agree with Wally that it's likely to be a function of tartan weight, but you might also try a couple of other things if you're going to wear the kilt much. Try changing the length of the sporran straps so that the sporran hangs at a slightly different height or tightness. That might help. Also, try changing the tightness of the the hip buckle (if the kilt has one). I suspect that loosening that strap might help (it shouldn't be tight anyway).

**NorCalPiper** · 27th April 11, 01:45 PM

Sorry for not getting back to finish my post, but I think the subject was well discussed. I think this is one of those smal matters that can be of great importance. Keep calm, kilt on.......

**OC Richard** · 1st May 11, 03:16 AM

Altering the waist size of kilts is yet another reason why it's nice to have a kilt without belt loops, and pleated to the line (because you can move the belt loops but if the kilt is pleated to the tartan you end up with the sett off-centre).

Pipe band kilts get altered the most and were I getting kilts for a band they would be pleated to the line and without loops.

I lost 45 pounds a couple years ago and I had little trouble moving the buckle on my kilt. Singular because I only moved one buckle, the one on the wearer's right. On the other side I moved the strap but left the buckle where it was.