Post Your Granted, Assumed or Desired Arms

[werewolves]

Great to see so many folks from the AHS here

My assumed arms done in the style of the Codex Manesse for fun. Link to the registration in my signature.

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Great to see so many folks from the AHS here

My assumed arms done in the style of the Codex Manesse for fun. Link to the registration in my signature.

Cool... and nicely painted.

[piperdbh]

Speaking of heraldry, I recently discovered (through one of the online sites trying to sell me stuff) that my family's arms are "Gules; a tree or growing out of the base or." and the crest is a "beech tree ppr." No compartments, no fesses, no nothing else; just a red shield with a gold tree growing from gold ground. If I were to want to use these arms as my own, would I have to get written permission from whomever is the "Chief of the name", and, if there is no Chief, are the arms fair game for any and every yahoo who happens to have the same last name as me?

[FatherWilliam57]

MoR: Thank you! It was an interesting design process. I, like most novices, began with a "lucky charms" approach, but was quickly educated by the members of the AHS. (If anyone is interested in the development of this achievement from start to finish, you can check out this thread at the Amercian Heraldry Society website: http://www.americanheraldry.org/foru...ead.php?t=2797
The heraldic artist for this particular emblazonment was Mr. Barrie Burr of Brisbane, Queensland, Australia.

JSFMACLJR: MoR is quite correct concerning the crest and helmet. Since I am a Navy vet, I couldn't exactly go the "pacifist clergy" route, so I do indeed use a helmet in my achievement. As far as the symbolism of my crest, it is my intent that my three children will each inherit my shield and motto...it will then be up to them to each adopt a crest and badge of their own. (My "Americanized" version of differencing.)

WEREWOLVES: You really should show them a picture of your arms in tattoo form!

[JSFMACLJR]

JSFMACLJR: MoR is quite correct concerning the crest and helmet. Since I am a Navy vet, I couldn't exactly go the "pacifist clergy" route, so I do indeed use a helmet in my achievement. As far as the symbolism of my crest, it is my intent that my three children will each inherit my shield and motto...it will then be up to them to each adopt a crest and badge of their own. (My "Americanized" version of differencing:

Lord Lyon would not grant a crest to my late father, an Episcopalian priest, who had served in the Queen's Own Rifles, but rather granted a crest for his lay heirs. The crest was depicted on the Extract of Matriculation, but above his shield was placed the correct ecclesiastical hat.

[Cygnus]

Lord Lyon would not grant a crest to my late father, an Episcopalian priest, who had served in the Queen's Own Rifles, but rather granted a crest for his lay heirs. The crest was depicted on the Extract of Matriculation, but above his shield was placed the correct ecclesiastical hat.

That's very interesting, Sandy. I was under the impression that clergymen could be granted crests, but that they generally chose to display the corded and tasseled ecclesiastical hat instead.

That is good information to know!

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

That's very interesting, Sandy. I was under the impression that clergymen could be granted crests, but that they generally chose to display the corded and tasseled ecclesiastical hat instead.

That is good information to know!

Clergy can be, and are, regularly granted crests, as well as various sorts of heraldic hats-- I am aware of crests granted to (1) a Catholic Bishop; (2) a Methodist Bishop; (3) a Rabbi; (4) several Protestant clergymen.

Hats usually follow the traditional system of colour and tassels to denote rank within the church. Anglican clergy, to distinguish themselves from the Roman clergy, will often place either a Canterbury cross, or a red and white heraldic rose, on the front of the hat although this practice is by no means universal. Recently a Methodist Bishop had placed above his arms a representation of the three-cornered hat worn by John Wesley.

Rabbis may wear hats, but they do not figure into any grants that I am aware of. That said, the symbolism used in devising their arms often alludes to their faith. One rabbi that I know has as his crest a representation of the City of Jerusalem taken from a 12th century map, while his arms stylistically represent a menorah.

[JSFMACLJR]

That's very interesting, Sandy. I was under the impression that clergymen could be granted crests, but that they generally chose to display the corded and tasseled ecclesiastical hat instead.

That is good information to know!

You are correct, I believe. Lord Lyon does grant crests to clerics, but generally they prefer a hat, with a separate grant of a crest to the lay heirs.

In my communication with Lord Lyon Blair, he indicated that he preferred not to grant crests to priests, but would entertain the possibility if the petitioner really wanted one.

[FatherWilliam57]

Lord Lyon would not grant a crest to my late father, an Episcopalian priest, who had served in the Queen's Own Rifles, but rather granted a crest for his lay heirs. The crest was depicted on the Extract of Matriculation, but above his shield was placed the correct ecclesiastical hat.

It is customary for Lord Lyon to do so in the case of Roman and Episcopal priests as they have a system in place which involves the use of the galero (color, number of tassels, etc). A system was devised in Germany for using the galero in the case of Lutheran ministers (in the 1980s, I believe), but it doesn't seem to have caught on. Although some Lutheran clergy have adopted the use of the galero in their achievements, I did not wish to "borrow" or "steel" the traditional aditaments of another denomination, hence the use of the demi-priest with a Luther rose on the chasuble. (Since then, another Lutheran pastor, after consulting with me, has made use of my little innovation, using a different tincture for the chasuble. Who knows? Maybe in a hundred years it will catch on for Lutheran clergy!) For a time, I did "flirt" with the idea of using a biretta and red stole in a similar manner as the galero, but gave up on that in favor of a standard crest and helmet. That train of thought can also be seen in the AHS thread I alluded to above.

Thanks for the interest!

[macwilkin]

It is customary for Lord Lyon to do so in the case of Roman and Episcopal priests as they have a system in place which involves the use of the galero (color, number of tassels, etc). A system was devised in Germany for using the galero in the case of Lutheran ministers (in the 1980s, I believe), but it doesn't seem to have caught on. Although some Lutheran clergy have adopted the use of the galero in their achievements, I did not wish to "borrow" or "steel" the traditional aditaments of another denomination, hence the use of the demi-priest with a Luther rose on the chasuble. (Since then, another Lutheran pastor, after consulting with me, has made use of my little innovation, using a different tincture for the chasuble. Who knows? Maybe in a hundred years it will catch on for Lutheran clergy!) For a time, I did "flirt" with the idea of using a biretta and red stole in a similar manner as the galero, but gave up on that in favor of a standard crest and helmet. That train of thought can also be seen in the AHS thread I alluded to above.

Thanks for the interest!

Personally, it's nice to see the Lutheran Rose being used. I can't say I care much for the ELCA's logo these days. I'm an Episcopalian, but our parish has held joint services and whatnot with one of the local ELCA parishes.

T.