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**DWFII** · 2nd July 11, 05:59 AM

^^ Yeah, what the heck is that? It looks like some sort of watermark...

**Jock Scot** · 2nd July 11, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by DWFII

^^ Yeah, what the heck is that? It looks like some sort of watermark...

I think you could be right there, perhaps it is a watermark.

**tripleblessed** · 2nd July 11, 07:33 PM

I think that photo definitely needs closer examination. From my house it appears unlikely to be a watermark. Our right/his left of the sporran, it looks to be a separate piece of fabric, unattached, totally different design. The light stripe by the front edge of the jacket is visible to the waist. Just above the sporran, below the wearer's left skirt of the vest, there is an apparent separation of stripes, looking like a partially down zipper, which I would find more than unlikely, but that's what it looks like, and I don't know enough about period construction to come up with anything giving that appearance.

Very curious, to say the least. Wonderful picture, though. Thanks, Rex, for a jewel of a photo.

**Mickey** · 2nd July 11, 08:35 PM

There is definitely a watermark or something going on here. I blew it up and enhanced it, and if you look to the left (right of the wearer) you can see how the vertical bars go beyond the kilt, from the edge of the jacket down. Also the curved "stripe" is part of this pattern. And if you look close, you can see a definite horizontal bar that travels across both kilt and jacket that all of the verticals connect to, except for the far one on the right hand side. Not sure what it is. Watermark, bleed from something in storage, hard to say. But looking close, it definitely an overlay of some sort.

By the way, I absolutely LOVE this photo. I really like old photos and this is just wonderful. Thanks so much for sharing it!

**Mickey** · 2nd July 11, 08:51 PM

Never mind then!

**tripleblessed** · 3rd July 11, 09:20 AM

Blown up, definitely looks likely a watermark. I liked the smaller version,where wild speculation was encouraged. I was gonna see if anybody would bite on it being a lodge apron for a secret society of time travelers (to explain the "zipper"section. Oh well............

It's still a great photo. Thanks again.

**piperdbh** · 3rd July 11, 12:36 PM

I'm the only one in my family to care about tartan, kilts, the 'pipes, or any other Scottish connection. As such, I have learned what I know about the wearing of the kilt from books (remember books?), this newfangled www.internet thing, and you good chaps here.
Interestingly, because of some things I've read here and other places, I can't bring myself to wear a tie with a button-down collar shirt any more.

**chrisupyonder** · 2nd July 11, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by DWFII

^^ Yeah, what the heck is that? It looks like some sort of watermark...

Yes it is, maybe someone can decipher it.

As for myself. Other than a school pal when I was at school in Manchester in the 1950's was in our school pipe band, The Kerry Pipers and wore a kilt, I have only XMTS to thank for pointing me in the right direction.

Chris.

**ThistleDown** · 2nd July 11, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by DWFII

^^ Yeah, what the heck is that? It looks like some sort of watermark...

That's exactly what it is. The photo is not here in Canada with me and I ripped this copy, watermark and all, from Am Baile. We don't still have that kilt, so I would be interested in knowing what tartan Duncan was wearing.