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    Idiots like this cannot win, you have rights, you had cleared it with his superior prior to the event, and the "transy" comment was pure gold for you as that is harassment pure and simple, especially if it was in front of other people (who may also act as witnesses).
    Guys, I think we need to take another look at the shift manager's words (according to Scotcop):

    This is not Jr. high, this is not show and tell, we are big boys here, and we are here to work, I dont care if it's Irish Day, I don't care if you are a transy, but when you come to work, you will wear this uniform, or you will be released.
    If those words were presented in a lawsuit for harassment, I don't think the suit would be successful. It seems as though he chose his words very carefully to come across as an insult while not rising to the level of harassment or accusation. Notice he said, "I don't care if you are a transy.". By saying he doesn't care, he is saying that it's not the issue. Only the dress code is the issue.

    To me, this shows that the shift manager put a lot of calculation into this. He had to have planned it ahead of time, since he apparently knew Scotcop was going to wear his kilt. He waited until the moment was right and then he attacked. And his words were carefully chosen to be insulting and degrading, while not being dangerous in any legal sense.

    At any rate, I still think there's no cause and no standing for any type of lawsuit or legal action. But this guy is definitely a jerk who walks around with his little chest puffed up, thinking he's something special, and getting his jollies by tearing others down. People like that need to be knocked down a peg or two. As a manager myself (over an engineering department, not retail sales), I would never talk to my employees like that. It doesn't earn you any respect. It serves quite the opposite effect, in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobus View Post
    Guys, I think we need to take another look at the shift manager's words (according to Scotcop):


    If those words were presented in a lawsuit for harassment, I don't think the suit would be successful. It seems as though he chose his words very carefully to come across as an insult while not rising to the level of harassment or accusation. Notice he said, "I don't care if you are a transy.". By saying he doesn't care, he is saying that it's not the issue. Only the dress code is the issue.

    To me, this shows that the shift manager put a lot of calculation into this. He had to have planned it ahead of time, since he apparently knew Scotcop was going to wear his kilt. He waited until the moment was right and then he attacked. And his words were carefully chosen to be insulting and degrading, while not being dangerous in any legal sense.

    At any rate, I still think there's no cause and no standing for any type of lawsuit or legal action. But this guy is definitely a jerk who walks around with his little chest puffed up, thinking he's something special, and getting his jollies by tearing others down. People like that need to be knocked down a peg or two. As a manager myself (over an engineering department, not retail sales), I would never talk to my employees like that. It doesn't earn you any respect. It serves quite the opposite effect, in fact.
    I agree, I don't think this rises to the level where a lawsuit is appropriate. However, it is inappropriate to "insult" and "attack" other employees, regardless of your rank. I think management needs to know what is going on in their store!

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    Wow.

    I got a pet training gig at a large, corporate pet warehouse. I mentioned to the store manager that, technically, if my kilt were khaki, it would fit into the dress code, since women are allowed to wear knee-length skirts. He said, "So, get a khaki kilt."

    One would think that smaller companies would be more understanding.

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    So get a khaki kilt. Not sure what your point is.
    The 'Eathen in his idleness bows down to wood and stone,
    'E don't obey no orders unless they is his own,
    He keeps his side arms awful,
    And he leaves them all about,
    Until up comes the Regiment and kicks the 'Eathen out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Courtmount View Post
    So get a khaki kilt. Not sure what your point is.
    I'm sorry, who are you?

    The point is, a very large company that makes it's employees cover up their tattoos and remove their piercings welcomes kilt wearing, while the low level manager of a book store tells his subordinate to remove his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by St. Amish View Post
    I'm sorry, who are you?

    The point is, a very large company that makes it's employees cover up their tattoos and remove their piercings welcomes kilt wearing, while the low level manager of a book store tells his subordinate to remove his.
    I thought you were complaining about your own employer, which didn't make sense.
    The 'Eathen in his idleness bows down to wood and stone,
    'E don't obey no orders unless they is his own,
    He keeps his side arms awful,
    And he leaves them all about,
    Until up comes the Regiment and kicks the 'Eathen out.

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    Since you had permission from your boss, I would file a complaint against your super.
    I personally know someone who loss their job because they are kilted.
    Clearly, this is a violation of your civil rights.

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    The Galacians are a very old and well known people, even the Church in Galacia is in the Bible. It suprises me that many are not familiar with them. The Celts were so numerous, but now basically down to the Six Nations. I say stand proud of your Celtic roots and be proud!
    “Don’t judge each day by the harvest you reap, but by the seeds you plant.”
    – Robert Louis Stevenson

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    Thanks for that show of support, Peacekeeper. Just as a point of reference, the Biblical region of the GalaTians is located in the Balkans. We GaliCians are from Northwestern Spain.

    Both, however, seem to be of Celtic origin!

    We now return to supporting the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galician View Post
    Yes, it's something of which I am aware. I had grown up hearing of Galicia as the Celtic region of Spain, so upon though learning of my Galician heritage I felt that I had found my own connection to the Celtic world.

    Since then, I have learned how many--even here on this site--are less than accepting of this historical heritage. That gives me pause on whether the effort to have my wearing a kilt accepted due to my own Celtic connection would be worth the effort.
    Quote Originally Posted by peacekeeper83 View Post
    The Galacians are a very old and well known people......... It suprises me that many are not familiar with them. The Celts were so numerous, but now basically down to the Six Nations. I say stand proud of your Celtic roots and be proud!
    Quote Originally Posted by Galician View Post
    Thanks for that show of support, Peacekeeper. Just as a point of reference........... We GaliCians are from Northwestern Spain.
    I echo Peacekeeper, stand proud!

    Its of lack of study or ignorance of others who do not recognize the Celtic regions of Spain, and the proud warriors of Galicia who stood against the Romans

    You have every right to your Celtic heritage & to hades with those who say otherwise!

    Okay, back to the OP's topic
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