Who actually OWNS a Scottish hand-sewn?

[macwilkin]

We could change the name of the "traditional" forum to "tartan kilts",
or we could have three kilt forums: "contemporary/non-traditional" (referring to solids and camo-kilts)

Hmm...what about Saffron Irish Kilts, Hodden Grey (for the London Scottish) and Tweed kilts -- all three have been around for some time, the first two since the mid 19th century at least.

These three should not be lumped in with "contemporary" kilts because of their history.
Just my opinion.

Cheers,

T.

[zeytoun]

Hmm...what about Saffron Irish Kilts, Hodden Grey (for the London Scottish) and Tweed kilts -- all three have been around for some time, the first two since the mid 19th century at least.

These three should not be lumped in with "contemporary" kilts because of their history.
Just my opinion.

Hadn't thought of those. Good point. It also seems to me that the deeper point you subtly make is that in order to divide our forums into rigid categories, we would have to come to agreement on what exactly defines each style. Look at us. Fat chance. And having more specific rules for which kilts are allowed in which forum probably wouldn't solve potential misinformation; only being outspoken about our individual opinions of and experiences with different kiltmakers will.

[Jimmy Carbomb]

The way that the Grand Poobah has it layed-out right now is pretty darned good.

Traditional: we know what that is, and it's a GREAT place for the hard-core kilt wearer to get informed, experienced and straight-up information from those who KNOW what it is.

Contemporary: is where the modern kilts can go. Sure the discussions here will be heavy, and that's MORE than fine! It's a broad category that will lend itself to debate, discussion and numerous kiltmaker comparisons. That's a good thing!

I personally like the idea of a "conservative" traditional thread, and a "liberal" contemporary thread. That could even include threads in tradional wear, and contemporary wear from those with the experience. That "experience" factor means more to me than anything!

[Casey]

I DO! My tank arrived yesterday, and tank is the word for it.

What a machine. Nothing like anything else I have including my 4yd 13oz tradition cut.

Of course I had to wear it immediately and who do you think I would run into at the video store but a fellow who plays in a pipe band.

Casey

[Jimmy Carbomb]

Come to the "tank" side Casey!

Glad you made it over! NOW, can you understand the difference that we're trying to convey? It's very difficult to explain the weight, sway, quality and feel to someone that only knows the thinner and lighter stuff. That's why I started calling them a "tank". That's the easiest description to understand in the comparison.

Take care of that tank, and it will run for a long time! 8)

[Blu (Ontario)]

.... Nothing like anything else I have including my 4yd 13oz tradition cut....

Hey Mikey... I think he likes it!

[Jimmy Carbomb]

More than anything, this is a "bump" to keep this topic near the top... as a reminder to Casey.

Casey, after wearing it this weekend, post a thought on the differences that you see and feel... if any.

Since you're experiencing the "tank" for the first time, it will be infinitely more insightful to the guys.

The first thing I remember when I wore my "tank" for the first time, was the INCREDIBLE swish and sway of the pleats. It also AMAZED me how tight the pleats were, how uniformly they laid, and how easily they moved right back into place!

[Blu (Ontario)]

... The first thing I remember when I wore my "tank" for the first time, was the INCREDIBLE swish and sway of the pleats. It also AMAZED me how tight the pleats were, how uniformly they laid, and how easily they moved right back into place!

In a couple of previous posts, I briefly touched on this subject but I guess I might as well ask directly while the topic is open. This has to do with the physical surface characteristics of worsted wool as compared to engineered fabrics. More specifically... my theory is that it is the bristley surface fibers on worsted wool that allow the layers to slide past one another with little friction while the kilt is in motion. Those very fibers that make wool unwearable by some, actually allow that wonderful "swish"! Any thoughts or opinions?? Is this issue discussed in any conversations with other society members?

[Casey]

I have five other kilts and there is nothing to compare to this one. "Protected" is a word that comes to mind. With some of my lighter casual kilts there is a sense of daring, **** to the wind, but not with the tank.

I only have one complaint: difficult to get all the pleats in the right place when getting into the car.

Casey

[Jimmy Carbomb]

This has to do with the physical surface characteristics of worsted wool as compared to engineered fabrics.

I don't think that I could be coerced into buying a worsted wool kilt really. I prefer the quality of a tight and heavy weave. The "tank" that I have is lined properly, and the wool is so tight that it not only does not itch, but the wind just withers in fear at the sight of it!

I have a few "casuals" and "formals" that are synthetic fabrics, and have actually found that as long as the pleats are sewn deep... with the proper tapering... and the right "aiming" at the taper so that they are manufactured straight in the hang... they are just as swooshy and swingy as the "tanks".

That third point of having a kilt made with the right angling on the taper is RARE to find. The certified and trained kiltmakers know how to do it, and it's truly worth their expertise in the pricing. It can ONLY be achieved with hand-sewing and education.

I am sure that the fabric WILL make a difference in any other kilt though... especially casuals.