Kilted Golfer DENIED Play at Royal Troon because of the kilt

**Frank** · 21st August 10, 07:45 AM

One question which is prominent by it's absence is : why does having a 'Y' chromosine render ones legs socially or aesthetically unnaceptable anyway ?
Most men spend their lives in prescribed anonymous clothing of one kind or another - and even when not in 'uniform', there are precious few choices available.

So, if you banish from your thinking the traditional conditioning we've all undergone since birth - that which tells us that we can't be taken seriously unless in a suit (or other 'uniform'), and putting to one side the area of clothing used as protection in the workplace - what exactly is society saying about males that demands that we have our legs covered whilst we go about our lives ?

And aren't ties just a great idea.......

**MacMillan of Rathdown** · 21st August 10, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Frank

And aren't ties just a great idea.......

Ties are one of the most brilliant ideas ever... I have used them in place of a busted fan belt, to hold up my trousers, as a dog lead, a sling for an injured arm, a tourniquet on the leg of a man I shot, and for a myriad of things they weren't intended for. I've also used them to identify clansmen at airports, members of my club at social events, and recently to enjoy a drink at the Cosmos Club in Washington DC with a total stranger who introduced himself to me on the street because he recognized my Trinity College, Dublin, tie.

Yes, traditionalist that I am, I have to agree with Frank that ties are a great idea.

**ForresterModern** · 22nd August 10, 06:14 AM

For any Facebookers, a new Group has been started, graciously by Catherine and Glen, to further discuss and widen the exposure of the issue with Royal Troon. Please feel free to visit and comment thre also:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...wall&ref=notif

Hope the link works.

jeff

**ForresterModern** · 24th August 10, 07:35 AM

Just got a return email from a Rules Associate from the USGA who basically says there is NO dress/attire code/rules , etc. in the USGA, as attire is the province of the specific competition organizers or managing club of the competition. They also said that non competitive golf does not fall under their purview other than to assist with rules setting in general for play at the course (OB, hazards, etc...).

Again, Royal Troon has NO written rules in the website for public viewing that state anything about the kilt or about requiring pants, and my round of play was not in any competitive event so would not fall under that non-ruling ruling anyway. Lastly, as Royal Troon is governed by the R&A (the international rules governing body) rather than the USGA (only valid within Mexico, Canada, and the US) I will still await some word from them in that regard. But in general the rules of golf are pretty consistent between the R&A and the USGA with few exceptions.

So. Stirke on on Troon excuses so far. Awaiting the PGA and the R&A to weigh in.

Thanks for your support.

**Dale Seago** · 24th August 10, 07:44 AM

Hiding behind nonexistent or at least non-explicit rules. . .They sound like a pack of Royal Poltroons to me.

Just joined your Facebook group!

**seanachie** · 24th August 10, 09:18 PM

Jeff have you contacted any SNP pols, seems to me this would be an issue that the culture minister would take issue with. Fiona Hyslop is the current minister for culture. http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/MS...slop/index.htm

**ForresterModern** · 25th August 10, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by seanachie

Jeff have you contacted any SNP pols, seems to me this would be an issue that the culture minister would take issue with. Fiona Hyslop is the current minister for culture. http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/MS...slop/index.htm

Thanks Seanachie.

I have written to the SNP minister and included appropriate links to the pertinent threads. WE shall see if this picks up any interest there or not.

Below also find two more pictures of what my former boss calls "The Conflict" and "Pants at Troon", photos from his collection of the trip showing my discussions with the starter after I was denied play kilted, and then of me subsequently playing in those dreadful p@nts out on the course, otherwise identically attired sans kilt.

"The Conflict", courtesy DR Kirks. Me having a civil but non-productive discussion with the starter about why my kilt was being denied.

"Pants at Troon", courtesy DR Kirks. Me in play in my same attire except sans kilt, instead in those darned p@nts. Aarrgghh.

j

**Lallans** · 25th August 10, 06:53 AM

Those North Britons, I tell ya....

**Rob Wright** · 29th August 10, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by MacMillan of Rathdown

Ties are one of the most brilliant ideas ever... I have used them in place of a busted fan belt, to hold up my trousers, as a dog lead, a sling for an injured arm, a tourniquet on the leg of a man I shot, and for a myriad of things they weren't intended for. I've also used them to identify clansmen at airports, members of my club at social events, and recently to enjoy a drink at the Cosmos Club in Washington DC with a total stranger who introduced himself to me on the street because he recognized my Trinity College, Dublin, tie.

Yes, traditionalist that I am, I have to agree with Frank that ties are a great idea.

Indeed!

My grandfather use to keep some pantyhose in his truck because they had so many uses besides covering a ladies legs.

Rob

**ForresterModern** · 3rd September 10, 07:05 AM

Wrote a few letters to the editors or reporters of several Scottish newspapers to expose them to the story, and all its subsequent ramifications. Will await any interest or responses they may have. Too early yet to tell. Will keep you posted.

Proud to see nearly 6700 viewings of this thread to date, similar postings on other kilt and scots sites, ESPN, Facebook, and elsewhere with similar support. Again, thanks for your support.

jeff