What hat do you wear with a kilt?

[Jock Scot]

I fear no matter how many times it is said to the contrary, you say it better than most MacSpadger, this myth will crop up as regularly as day following night. Like so much else in Scots/Irish history and traditions, the rose tinted glasses are firmly glued to many people's eyes, and not just outwith Scotland's shores, either.Yes, it is rather tiresome to explain yet again, but without doing so, these myths will prevail.

[OC Richard]

BTW, the whole idea of the Gaels populating Scotland from Ireland comes from a legend, and evidence shows that there was a constant flux of peoples going back and forth, settling and moving on, all around the area.

Excellent post there!

Yes indeed for hundreds (if not thousands) of years our concept of early peoples has been based on the "invasion hypothesis" (whether openly stated or not), so much so that it underlies much of our thinking and is taken for granted.

So the history of peoples (anywhere on earth) has always been stuff like "so-and-so invaded first, then so-and-so invaded next, and then so-and-so invaded next" and so on.

All of this invading has been undergoing a reevaluation in recent decades and currently the "invasion hypothesis" is not so much in fashion. (Except with Marija Gimbutas and her followers, the Kurgans and all that.)

[MacSpadger]

I fear no matter how many times it is said to the contrary, you say it better than most MacSpadger, this myth will crop up as regularly as day following night. Like so much else in Scots/Irish history and traditions, the rose tinted glasses are firmly glued to many people's eyes, and not just outwith Scotland's shores, either.Yes, it is rather tiresome to explain yet again, but without doing so, these myths will prevail.

It amazes and saddens me that these myths continue and even grow in the internet age. Truth is a little bit of Googling would yield enough common sense to smite them.
If a diced Glengarry is the sign of loyalty to “The Crown” or “England”, then why don’t the London Scottish regiment, (whose former Honorary Colonel was the Queen Mother and whose current HO is Prince Edward) wear them?

Or what about the Scots Guards (PM Willie Ross seen here), formed as personal guards to the Royal Family?

Or the Queens Own Highlanders?

Or the Black Watch, who fought for the Hanoverian Cause throughout the battlefields of Europe? Following the logic of the myth, shouldn’t they be wearing a diced Tam?

Conversely, perhaps the Gordon Highlanders, given the Gordon history of constant Catholic opposition to The Crown and being heavily present in the Jacobite forces at Culloden, could be expected to wear a plain Glengarry given the leanings of the regiment’s anti-Royal founders? But do they?

I could go on with more, but it gets very tedious. It just strikes me as bizarre that daft stories like these examples are so easily dispelled yet people overseas choose to believe them for reasons I will never fathom. I am just back from a jaunt up Drymen through to Fort William with friends and we were chatting about online myths. “Facts” get perpetuated online that would strike any real Highlander or Scotsman or Irishman as being as alien as ET landing in your back gairden and asking tae’ use yer lavvy.
I did wear a hat with my kilt on my trip, I wore my Tam. You know, those felt things you wear at an angle after much schooshing, shaping and drying.

[okiwen]

MacSpadger,

Very much enjoyed reading your posts. Very educational. I tend to pick up my knowledge in bits and pieces as I don't know of a course on the subject. These posts interest me as I find them, but they are far and between, as you know opinion runs rapid.

[MacSpadger]

Thanks Okiwen, but I get educated here too, it's a great resource. Only this afternoon this thread caused me to Google to see what a "cheese head" was. Now I understand.

I suppose this pic takes us back to the start of the thread, someone from Wisconsin might think, “Wah, that will go fine with my kilt”.

[James Hood]

Many Chicagoans will be offended by your image of the evil Cheesehead, as the megopolis at the south end of the North American freshwater inland sea known as Lake Michigan pledges loyalty to its own "Bears," openly disdaining the tribes north of the shared border.

Interestingly, the state which proudly proclaims itself the home of Cheeseheads does produce oodle-gob-thousands of tons of cheese.

However the state which stands behind the "Bear" emblem likely does not contain many if any wild Ursus, despite its being almost the size of the main island of Britain, sole examples being zoo creatures. And veritably NO Chicagoan will wear Cheesehead headgear. Especially not with a kilt. Which is rather moot, as Chicago is not, among other things, "kilt-friendly."

"...someone from Wisconsin might think, “Wah, that will go fine with my kilt”.

And they would believe same in their soul. Also notice the demi-Pitish facial decoration on the "Cheesehead." Associations with ancient tribal kilting? Hmm.

....wait, what does this have to do with Dicing...? Never mind.

[Zardoz]

Didn't we used to have a 'beating a dead horse' smiley? This thread has wandered off in to several of those topics

[Walkman]

I don't believe any historian ever said that there was no "back-and-forth" between Ireland and Scotland, however, that does not preclude a larger scale invasion from Ireland into Scotland either. If we accept new theories as absolute fact, we are just creating new myth. All data should be considered before dismissing the traditional history - which often turns out to be correct.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/s...ds/7976510.stm

[creagdhubh]

It amazes and saddens me that these myths continue and even grow in the internet age. Truth is a little bit of Googling would yield enough common sense to smite them.
If a diced Glengarry is the sign of loyalty to “The Crown” or “England”, then why don’t the London Scottish regiment, (whose former Honorary Colonel was the Queen Mother and whose current HO is Prince Edward) wear them?

Or what about the Scots Guards (PM Willie Ross seen here), formed as personal guards to the Royal Family?

Or the Queens Own Highlanders?

Or the Black Watch, who fought for the Hanoverian Cause throughout the battlefields of Europe? Following the logic of the myth, shouldn’t they be wearing a diced Tam?

Conversely, perhaps the Gordon Highlanders, given the Gordon history of constant Catholic opposition to The Crown and being heavily present in the Jacobite forces at Culloden, could be expected to wear a plain Glengarry given the leanings of the regiment’s anti-Royal founders? But do they?

I could go on with more, but it gets very tedious. It just strikes me as bizarre that daft stories like these examples are so easily dispelled yet people overseas choose to believe them for reasons I will never fathom. I am just back from a jaunt up Drymen through to Fort William with friends and we were chatting about online myths. “Facts” get perpetuated online that would strike any real Highlander or Scotsman or Irishman as being as alien as ET landing in your back gairden and asking tae’ use yer lavvy.
I did wear a hat with my kilt on my trip, I wore my Tam. You know, those felt things you wear at an angle after much schooshing, shaping and drying.

Well said indeed!!!

[creagdhubh]

Didn't we used to have a 'beating a dead horse' smiley? This thread has wandered off in to several of those topics

So? Don't most threads do this, then generally return to the main topic? Just saying.

Cheers,