It isn’t a skirt it is a kilt

**Friday** · 27th August 12, 06:21 PM

Tundramana do you have Prince Albert in a Jar? Let him out NOW

Sorry I am that old.

**tundramanq** · 27th August 12, 06:25 PM

I miss the old tin cans. Gotta go catch my refigerator now - it's running...

**Friday** · 27th August 12, 06:42 PM

Originally Posted by Jock Scot

On thinking about this, I wonder if it might be better to just say plainly and simply, "its a kilt"?

Ask any nautical man about ships and boats and whilst they all are supposed to float(even submarines) they are very different beasts. For those that don't know the saying; " You can put boats on ships, but you can't put ships on boats. Unless we are talking about submarines which are boats."

The same goes with kilts---except that they don't float to any degree. Kilts and skirts are very different beasts to those that know and those that don't know need educating gently.

Before I comment let me once again repeat my position.

I have previously acknowledged that I was in error in:

1. Calling an article of clothing where “the waist-bands overlaps in the front, and virtually all of the cloth is fitted in the back part of waistband by folding the fabrics into pleats instead of gathers” (The Art of Kiltmaking page 33) is a kilt.
2. To call it anything else in insensitive and inappropriate.
I further acknowledge that:
1. I can trace my families heritage only as far back as the Ulster Plantation, not back to the mainland of Scotland. I can not identify a member of this linage that was born in either the Ulster Plantation or mainland Scotland for over 200 years. I therefore apologies if I have ever identified myself as a Scot or even an American of Scottish Ancestry. At most in the future if I say anything other than American it will be American of Scot-Irish (Ulster Plantation) Ancestry. Therefore it is questionable if I should wear a article of Scottish attire.
2. The mainland Scottish family name of this family is from the Scottish lowlands and therefore it is questionable if I should wear a article of Highland attire.

I do not wish to address skirt vs kilt but the analogy "Ask any nautical man about ships and boats and whilst they all are supposed to float(even submarines) they are very different beasts."

It appears to me the similarity between ships and boats being used for comparison is that they "are supposed to float". A twig, wine cork, dog, dead whale, and sometimes I float. Does this put these items in the same grouping as ships and boats. I don't see the connection, I see ships and boats as two different groups.

To me the analogy between ships and aircraft carriers would be similar to skirts and kilts. An aircraft carrier is subset of ships and ships is a subset of things that float. Where as kilts is a subset of skirt which is a subset of clothing.

I also see that some of the issues has been discussed above when attaching the context of sex to the term skirt. As long as the prime definition of skirt clothes worn by women, then kilts can not be in the class skirt. Therefore a kilt is not a skirt.

**Downunder Kilt** · 27th August 12, 07:02 PM

The Phoenix has risen!

**Friday** · 27th August 12, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by Downunder Kilt

The Phoenix has risen!

Are you implying that we are once again:

**Downunder Kilt** · 27th August 12, 07:33 PM

Yes I do, it's like debating what came first, the chicken or the egg?

**Friday** · 27th August 12, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Downunder Kilt

Yes I do, it's like debating what came first, the chicken or the egg?

The omelet.

That why I tried to have it closed about 8 pages ago

**tundramanq** · 27th August 12, 08:03 PM

But Friday, it's been an entertaining 8 pages - by the adjectives used with kilt and skirt ( and some that are unique) they show that they are similar but differing regardless of the sex that's wearing it. IE - pleated , shirred, wraparound, fitted, mini/midi/maxi, tiered, ( pick a color or pattern), (pick a material), etc. There are as much or more variations in kilts as in skirts. There is overlap between the two garments variations - IE the kilt-skirts, where even the designer isn't sure what he has made, but senses a real difference between the two or sees the kilt as descriptor of the skirt style that was designed. I too sense the chicken/egg enigma here.

**Meggers** · 27th August 12, 09:00 PM

I'll be honest, I get the "nice skirt" one a lot and it bothers me too. Yes, it's a skirt, but it's not a skirt that I picked up at Target or a thrift store.

What gets under my skin is when people say "cool plaid skirt!" and I just respond "thanks....it's a womens kilt....and it cost me a lot of money you dink"

Ok, so I dont say the last part. But it does get annoying when it's passed over as just any old skirt. At least with men, it's obviously Scottish. With me, I look like a Catholic school girl.