Theory and practice.

[O'Callaghan]

Can you explain this a bit more? I thought the kilt was a garment worn in the Highlands of Scotland.

But you're in Kentucky! I hope you're not wearing a kilt, then, ROTFLMAO! And don't leave home without your Davy Crockett hat on, and wearing your buckskins!

Kilts appeared in the Highlands of Scotland in the 16th century, then in both the Lowlands of Scotland and in Ireland at around the same time in the 19th century, in Wales in the 20th century, so we are told, and at some point even in America. IOW, the genie is out of the bottle.

However, I thought this thread was an informational one about how they are worn in the Highlands in the 21st century?

[JSFMACLJR]

The truths not what some up tight individuals want you to believe their hang ups should be yours. Real history is written by those who sacrifice for freedom from before the middle ages, it is all there to see if you will just read.


part of learning is learning truths for yourself


kilts / cilts are older than what others want you to think, read the history a word is not proof of when a garment was worn.

Dear B,

You know, try as I might to be charitable, I am afraid I can make no sense out of your poorly written post. Perhaps you should rewrite it so that we can all discern what you are trying to say.

Regards,
JSFMACLJR

PS. Your scholarship is severely lacking when it comes to the history and the antecedents of the kilt. A simple search of the archived threads will point you in the right direction.

[JSFMACLJR]

But you're in Kentucky! I hope you're not wearing a kilt, then, ROTFLMAO! And don't leave home without your Davy Crockett hat on, and wearing your buckskins!

Kilts appeared in the Highlands of Scotland in the 16th century, then in both the Lowlands of Scotland and in Ireland at around the same time in the 19th century, in Wales in the 20th century, so we are told, and at some point even in America. IOW, the genie is out of the bottle.

However, I thought this thread was an informational one about how they are worn in the Highlands in the 21st century?

Wow, O'Callaghan, you really got me good! I'm so humbled to be taken to task by you.

[Jock Scot]

Whew!! That was long. I have been looking for the "rules" for a very long time now. They are very hard to find.

I would not have known that Shaun wearing what he did was night wear in the day time. What was wrong with the tie?

I wear the kilt as a uniform. I play in a band where it is most definitely a uniform in every sense. Yet I have problems with they way it is put together. I don't think that the people that made the decisions did the right research.

I am looking for a "uniform" right now that I can use to play at funerals and the like. I am trying hard to look well put together but NOT be the show. Highland dress is very pricey!!!! I am trying to get 'right' with clothes that look good with brown shoes (because most people want black ghillies).

I have to make what I get really count until I become much more well off. I remember the same decisions when I had finally stopped growing and needed "go to court" clothes and more than normal church clothes.

I do wear UKs and even worked construction in them. They are not a uniform and as such they have different "rules".

When I was young I used to buy GQ magazine to try and figure these rules out. What a headache. Now I'm lucky if I get color to match or compliment.

I read 17 pages and saw very few rules mentioned, only that people have different opinions. I have purchased books that claimed to be "the Guide" and still I would look like a clown by highland standards.

My family is evidently from the lowlands (Ayrshire) and I would get sick and tired of wearing the many Stewart tartans all the time. My Orr side evidently could be claimed by Campbell or MacGregor. More reds; what if I wanted to wear a blue shirt? Who would I offend?

If they are RULES they should be listed somewhere as a guide!!!! I want a Scottish GQ!!

Quite frankly, when I see the way some dress it looks like a costume. They appear to be trying too hard and come off like a kid playing dress up. They appear to be really serious about 'getting it right' but, to me, are missing due to fantasy or something. I like seeing the purple Samuel Jackson more because at least he is making a statement.

I think I need pictures of what Jock is talking about more. Maybe a bit on why the tie is wrong. I can follow the Prince Charlie thing, but not so much some of the other things.

I believe I have used up my allotted internet space, so.... Other than black things I needs 'guides'.

Thanks so much.

K

Right you want to know what is wrong with the tie. With a Prince Charlie,evening wear, generally speaking a bow tie is worn. Sometimes, not all that often and I think is a modern thing A ruche tie is worn. A ruche tie is a bit of a cross between a normal tie and a cravat, that is not a very good description but it is the best I can think of.The other thing is that there are those that think that a tartan tie should not be worn AT ALL whilst wearing a tartan kilt.Blue shirts, worn in the right context, are fine, but don't get wound up too much with matching this with that, it is not always necessary, or "correct".

Your points raised in your post illustrate,well, the dangers of trying to copy a picture that could be oh so wrong. You could be led astray very easily and you have recognised that fact.Well done.

I am not at all sure that there are many written down rules about civilian kilt attire. Some of us are lucky enough to have been guided by fathers and grandfathers which makes life easy. To those like yourself, who are trying to get things right it is all very confusing,I am sure.

So we have few rules for civilian kilt attire, good manners would be the first, written or otherwise, but we have a whole host of mainly unwritten conventions, protocols, guidelines, traditions to work with, which is fine if you know what they are!That is why I and others try to help out with advice when asked for it. Now, as a start, read "So you are going to wear the kilt" a fine if rather outdated book, lots of good basic advice there. Then have a look at MacMurdo's and Panache's 10 stages of kilted dress. OK we all could cherry pick and criticise a very few points, but they do illustrate well, a basic guideline. Look at the casual,dressy ,and formal pictures, a whole host there to choose from. Some will be to your taste, some will not , some will be perfect according to convention and some will be the best that some one can do with the budget he has available.Some like "Sir Shaun" are just plain wrong!Ask questions and be prepared to get lots of conflicting answers! White kilt hose is a classic example of this!Hope this helps.

I have added this after much thought, knowing that it could cause offence, but it needs to be said and I will try to say it as kindly and tactfully as I can.

There are also a few pictures published here that say something like "This is me on my wedding day", or "Kilted on my son's graduation day" they are not asking for an opinion they are just making a statement. So we then look at the pictures and lo and behold they have got it all wrong! A "Sir Shaun" moment! What are we to say?Do we make a comment or six?Do we ruin a person's memorable day? No of course we don't! We could say nothing, that is what I usually do I am afraid, or , we could find something nice, kind and non controversial to say, as some of us do. Or, less helpfully in the long run, we get "looking good","great tartan", "great outfit" by people who either know no better themselves, Or are trying to be kind------I am not sure what to think, but it perpetuates the problem of ignorance. These tricky situations are coming less and less here as time goes on, I think------thank goodness for education! On the other hand we get the "this is my new outfit for the ball/wedding/graduation/birthday next week. What do you think?" Then we have an opportunity to make helpful(I hope) suggestions, if needed, that may fine tune an outfit to be a model of perfection and YES a picture to use as a fine example to us all for future reference. The trick is though, sorting out one from another, BEFORE parting with the hard earned cash.

[slohairt]

The reason I don't wear tartan ties with kilts is not so much that I think it looks particularly bad but rather that it presents two opposing focal points.

On a "Saxon" suit, the necktie tends to be a focal point of individuality and style. It is usually the only item in the outfit with any colour or pattern to it. In a kilted outfit, the kilt itself serves in this function and the necktie becomes an accessory instead. I tend to wear solid grey lambswool ties when kilted. (Or black when I'm at a funeral.)

Still, it's not that big of a deal. There are worse things you could do! (Woad paint and claymores come to mind...)

[SFCRick]

The truths not what some up tight individuals want you to believe their hang ups should be yours. Real history is written by those who sacrifice for freedom from before the middle ages, it is all there to see if you will just read.


part of learning is learning truths for yourself


kilts / cilts are older than what others want you to think, read the history a word is not proof of when a garment was worn.

What?

[JRB]

This thread is getting weird.

[Tony Miles]

ruh-roh

[BoldHighlander]

But you're in Kentucky! I hope you're not wearing a kilt, then, ROTFLMAO! And don't leave home without your Davy Crockett hat on, and wearing your buckskins!

Crockett was from Tennessee pard, Dan'l Boone was from Kaintuckee (& never wore a coonskin cap) -- folks are always getting the two mixed up thanks to Fess Parker


okay, back on topic....

[MacKay71]