Good Bye

[Rigged]

It's not just about whacking or flaming. It's about being able to discuss really important issues.

There are social issues, gender-politics issues, legal issues, and rights issues among others that affect us as daily kilt-wearers and we can't discuss those issues here.

Discussions about matching kilt hose to shirts are great, but I'm more interested in whether it's socially, politically, culturally, legally safe for men to wear kilts when and where we want to.

That puts me at odds with this forum's policies (and the sensibilities of many, if not most of this forum's participants) and so I have to move on.

[pdcorlis]

Best of luck to you then - I hope you continue to enjoy your kilted life.

[Rigged]

I'll miss you guys.

[KiltedCodeWarrior]

Well, maybe I am a bit more hard nosed than some, but if you're leaving, leave already. Don't post a thread notifying the world that you are leaving, then keep checking back on said post to see how many people are going to miss you and wanting to know why you are leaving. That is just childish and trying to call attention to yourelf.

[Valencian Kilted]

Well, maybe I am a bit more hard nosed than some, but if you're leaving, leave already. Don't post a thread notifying the world that you are leaving, then keep checking back on said post to see how many people are going to miss you and wanting to know why you are leaving. That is just childish and trying to call attention to yourelf.

... hey... what carajo is hapening here?
sorry to say but......this seems someway disappointing to me,... never wanted to see a mate leaving this thread, but I'd accept the reasons for it... what is difficult to understand is the feeling that this post reflects!...If some day I decide to leave a club or even the company I work for,... I'd love to have the chance to farewell my friends, whatever it may be the reason for leaving... I simply can't see nothing negative on that... maybe I am also childish for thinking that way?,...

I agree with the usual line of moderator's work, but I couldn't get the way this one expressed so easily,... sorry to say!

¡Salud!

T O N O

[Chris Webb]

Just go on over to Kiltmen.com to the Braveheart's Kilt Forum ... no moderator, no holds barred, intense discussion on all the issues you mentioned and more.

I've only seen one thread deleted and it had gotten so personal and ugly that even I had to agree it was time to kill it. Otherwise, as long as there can be some kind of dotted line to connect your topic with kilts or other mens' skirted garments, there is nothing sacred there.

Good luck,

Chris Webb

[longshadows]

Not to diminish the situation, but are the planets out of allignment or something? In the past week we've had some strange (and to my limited history on this forum) unusual series of events and postings on XMarks.

Maybe some of you "old times" here have gone through this before, but I've been concerned at the "tone" we're finding lately. In order to keep down discord and potential bad behavior, the moderators have been quite judicious in their cuttings and locking of threads, until one moderator feels he has a personal investment in the topic and allows it reach a rolling boil, but removes at least one posting which he felt was a "personal attack." Now we have a member announcing that he is leaving, with no appearant reason, only to find that he claims his posts have been deleted and a senior member of the forum basically saying, "don't let the door hit you in the butt on the way out." :confused:

Maybe it's just me, but I've felt an absence of some other regulars lately and I'm wondering if this is sign of something else going on here. Don't get me wrong, I've tried to be a defender of the moderators and the policies and wanted to keep this forum (more or less) on topic and let "good fellowship" prevail.

I just hope we can all (the Grand Poo-bah's included) consider how this sort of policing can have it's down side. I wonder whether a bit of flaming is any worse that no "spice" at all and the lingering suspicion that maybe we're not really getting the whole picture.

[Robin]

There are social issues, gender-politics issues, legal issues, and rights issues among others that affect us as daily kilt-wearers and we can't discuss those issues here.

Sounds kiltrelated to me :confused:

[KiltedCodeWarrior]

... what is difficult to understand is the feeling that this post reflects!...If some day I decide to leave a club or even the company I work for,... I'd love to have the chance to farewell my friends, whatever it may be the reason for leaving... I simply can't see nothing negative on that... maybe I am also childish for thinking that way?,...

I agree with the usual line of moderator's work, but I couldn't get the way this one expressed so easily...

Tono, I have no problem with somebody saying Good Bye in a mature manner and providing a way to contact them in the future, and I also enjoyed Rigged's posts. However, Rigged's initial post was written to attract people's attention to his leaving in such a way that he would be asked to explain himself. He could have chosen to include his reasons for leaving in the initial post. Probably two points struck me from his post:

...We need someone who will stick up for us, and it's become clear that in spite of my best efforts, I'm not the man for the job....

Moderators, please remove me from this forum.

I don't remember anyone asking Rigged to stick up for them, I certainly did not, nor do I remember him being appointed to that position. As for the last comment, it probably struck me as the most childest. It has the flavor of "I am going to take my toys and play elsewhere, but just so I am not tempted to return, make sure I can't". Others have left the forum in the past and others will in the future. Some leave and never come back, others have issues with something on the board, leave for a while then return to contribute again.

I don't expect anyone to agree with my opinion on this. My opinions are worth what you pay for them, and I did preface my post that I had a hardlined view on this. I don't consider you childish for not agreeing. If we all agreed, it would be a pretty boring world.

As a sidenote, while I have been on the forum for a while, contribute fairly regularly, and have a cool title (House Chairman), I am actually not a moderator on this forum. The title is an honorary one granted to myself and Starbkjrus for volunteering to "oversee" the Celebration Zone, i.e. try to insure that birthdays, rank ups, and other celebratory events are posted for all to enjoy.

And as a reference, here is from the FAQ/Rules:

Farewell posts will be subject to deletion if the mods find them sarcastic and spiteful. People will come and go and that is the way of the net. If you decide to leave and want to bid your fellow members farewell, that is fine. But if you cry about over moderation or censorship you will be censored.

Cheers!

[An t-Ileach]

I shall be sorry to see Rigged go; but if he feels that he must, then we must respect (though regret) his decision.

But after he enlightened us a little as to his reasoning, I'm sure that quite a few people will be sympathising with him.

Take the "Why don't Scots wear the kilt?" thread - it was by and large well mannered and informative about an issue that underlies the present-day wearing of the kilt in the UK and what it means to many kilt-wearers today; it had at least one moderator (Mike1) participating in it, and yet just after he'd suggested letting it run to see where it went, it was killed off by another moderator. Was it really that far off the basic purpose of this Forum?

I think the moderating has been quite gentle and tolerant, and I don't envy them their job, but one has to ask oneself, if someone like Rigged feels he has to pack up and move on, where is X Marks going and how do we develop it so as to get there?