Stone of Destiny? Pastry?

**auld argonian** · 26th February 07, 04:27 PM

...and if you need any reassurance..or just a good laugh...check out Terry Pratchett's "The Fifth Elephant", wherein the "Scone of Stone" is stolen and a King of the Dwarves can't be properly crowned without it.

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**starbkjrus** · 27th February 07, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by cessna152towser

Scone, pronounced SKON is for spreading with jam, butter or honey.
Scone, pronounced SKOON, of Stone of Destiny fame, is a suburb of Perth, and is where Perth Airport is situated.
No connection between the two as far as I'm aware.

I just happened to read an article about this the other day. The Stone of Destiny (a.k.a The Stone of Scone - pronounced skoon) is so called because the Scottish Monarchs were crowned at Scone Palace (Scone Abbey another source says) . The Stone itself was captured by Edward I in 1296 and taken to Westminster Abbey; reportedly so no more Scots kings could be crowned. John Major returned it to Scotland in 1996 where is resides along with the Honours of Scotland in Edinburgh Castle.

The Stone is still placed under the Coronation Chair when a British monarch is crowned.

No idea about the pastry but I HAVE made some that might make you think of the other.
:food-smiley-002:

**McClef** · 27th February 07, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by starbkjrus

The Stone itself was captured by Edward I in 1296 and taken to Westminster Abbey; reportedly so no more Scots kings could be crowned.

Makes you wonder how the Scottish monarchs managed at their coronations until the Union of the Crowns...

I knew I should have bought the booklet about it from the Holyrood gift shop!

**starbkjrus** · 27th February 07, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by McClef

Makes you wonder how the Scottish monarchs managed at their coronations until the Union of the Crowns...

...snip

...well, the Bruces and the Stewarts ARE pretty stubborn. Trust me, I have personal experience.

**McClef** · 27th February 07, 02:01 PM

The current stone might not even be the original:

"But is the stone that finally rests securely in Edinburgh Castle the real Stone of Destiny? After so many centuries, it is impossible to know. According to one legend, the Stone never left Ireland at all. One tale suggests that the original Stone of Destiny was white marble, carved with decorative figures -- in no way resembling the plain slab of yellow sandstone with a single Latin cross carved on it that sat beneath the throne in Westminster Abbey for these past seven centuries. To make matters more confusing, there may have been several copies made down through the ages! It is entirely within the realm of possibility that some canny Scots fobbed off a fake on Edward I, seven hundred years ago, hiding the original coronation stone where it would never be found. One story particularly satisfying to Scottish nationalists with long memories claims that Edward actually took the rough rock used to hold down the cover of the cess-pit at Scone Castle, and that subsequent English monarchs have ceremoniously seated themselves on this medieval plumbing accessory for their coronations ever since 1308! At least one acknowledged copy of the "Westminster" Stone exists, on public display at beautiful Scone Palacein Perthshire, where it serves as a favorite roost for the elegant peacocks and camera-toting tourists who stroll the grounds.

Are there additional copies? On Christmas Day, 1950, four Scottish students, inspired by nationalist sentiment, heisted the Stone from under the Coronation Throne in Westminster Abbey, dumped it in the trunk of their car, and drove off with it. About four months later the rock was recovered from the Arbroath Abbey, where it had been deposited by the stone-nappers. Or was it? Rumours have always persisted that there was plenty of time for the students to fashion a replica to be “returned” to Westminster, while the original Stone was spirited north to a secret location in Scotland. One seemingly far-fetched theory even suggested that the actual stone was hiding in plain sight for decades -- that the purported replica on public display at Scone Palace was in fact the real Stone of Destiny!"

So the stone my old university friend Michael Forsyth, as the then Secretary of State for Scotland received from Prince Andrew and now lodged in Edinburgh Castle, might not be the original in any case!

**Panache** · 27th February 07, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by ccga3359

I believe scones, or pronounced scones to the posh, come from southern England and are closely associated with Devonshire clotted cream. I do recall back it the 70's three Englishmen who often rode around on a trandem (a three person bicycle) actually mining said scones. Or perhaps my memory is going. Hope this helps.

I vaguely remember the same story. Wasn't the mine closed after a violent incident that resulted in a lot of shed ketchup?

Cheers

Panache