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    Ron,
    I think it is much deeper than this, it is her insecurity that is driving this. She sees you as a threat and wants tether what is unfettered. I just recently left my position at a very large bank due in part to a supervisor that tried her best to beat me and other co-workers down, it took a while but I saw through that she was doing it due to her incompetence. This method is starting to backfire on her and likely she will be the next to go. I am lucky as I am in the position financially that I could just move on, and a much better opportunity is coming my way. I hope that in the end you may continue wearing your kilts to work. Corporate America just kills me because of the current buzzword about diversity, and how its use is so subjective.
    Tim

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    Hey Ron,

    Whoa, I don't even know where to begin. I think that you are showing remarkable patience under the circumstances and that is one of the best things you can do.

    I can also totally sympathize with your situation. When I first started wearing kilts at my job, the daily pant wearing HR manager tried to apply the "No extremes in personal dress or grooming shall be tolerated" clause of our corporate dress code. The funny thing is it was to her, and her only, I had to point out that unbifurcated garments were worn by more men in the world than one would think. Just because it is not seen very often in the US doesn't mean it is extreme. I then clarified the dress code for her. Ours states that "skirts cannot be higher than mid-thigh and not slitted past the knee." It said absolutely nothing about the gender of the skirt wearer. Always in the back of my mind I knew I could trump with the ethnic card but honestly, that isn't my style. I eneded up simply wearing my kilt one day and guess what. It was no big deal. It might have caused a little disruption the very first day because so many folks wanted to get a look at me and ask me questions. Ever since, it hasn't been a problem.

    Didn't mean to ramble but you are doing the right thing. Wear pants if they request it of you because unfortunately potential customers could be just as close minded as your supervisor. But when you do wear kilts, wear them with pride (I know you already do) and in a way that shows just how professional they do look. (I've always believed the traditional kilts to be very dressy.) With a little common sense they'll realize that when they define the dress code.

    Hang in there!!! I'll bet it turns out better than you think.

    -80s

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    Yeah, good luck, Ron. I hope they let you keep the kilts. After two years of 'em, pants wont be too comfortable...

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    You may actually have grounds for a discrimination lawsuit there Ron. If she's telling you that you've been "causing a disruption" for two years, but the higher ups say no, you haven't, then she's obviously gunning for you in particular with the dress code. Maybe drop a hint to the higher ups that if this woman goes ahead with forcing you into trousers you'll look into hiring a lawyer?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer, I've never played one on TV. OK, I played a judge in a high school play once, but that doesn't give me any legal expertise, you know.

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    Didn't you know?... trousers are empowering. And she's got the power to prove it.

    Gender equality was never meant to apply to men.

    Logic often falls on deaf ears.

    On general principals and fairness, I hope this gets resolved in your favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blu (Ontario) View Post
    Didn't you know?... trousers are empowering. And she's got the power to prove it.

    Gender equality was never meant to apply to men.

    Logic often falls on deaf ears.

    On general principals and fairness, I hope this gets resolved in your favor.

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    Logic often falls on deaf ears.
    Rather... to a vacuum between the veneer of ears!
    Ignorance is such a drag. But at least it is treatable with information, knowledge and such.
    Stupidity on the other hand, SHOULD BE PAINFUL! You have my support for the writing of an equitable guideline that addresses clothing and the workplace, and leaves alone subjective opinion. Wear your kilt brother.
    Go, have fun, don't work at, make it fun! Kilt them, for they know not, what they wear. Where am I now?

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    Good job! Well done! A credit to all the kilties.

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    Get some LOUD MCLEOD TREWS!

    That'll learn em.

    Really Ron... I hate to say this, but maybe it is time for you to walk. I get the feeling from your writing style that you are pretty upset and down over this. Your words are heavy and blunt. You completely lack the flair found in almost all of your posts. This is not a good sign. One can almost sense a certain bit of loathing maybe.

    You gotta figure out what is right by you... I would stick with your convictions though. Stay kilted and see what happens. This could be the moment you see everybody's true colours. And maybe it is time for life to change a bit.

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    Crack me up Dread.

    Had thought of trews, but not Loud MacLeod...

    My CEO also perceives I am in that place and hence the reasurrance and please don't gos. But I am old enough to cash in on social security and have enough to pay my basic bills, get a part time job, or be a man-slave to my lady (her words, not mine) while she rakes in the big bucks at her job.

    And, I do love it here geographically. Its so beautiful. Came here by choice and not gonna let some new boss with an agenda run me off. I'm waiting out the more serious issues and hoping things roll in my favor. I can quit anytime. I work where I chose to work.

    Back in elementary school they banned thin belts. In high school we protested the dress code by meeting it, but with thrift shop clothes and mismatched color combinations. Women fought the dress codes for the right to wear pants. In 1970 the issue was my wearing a trim beard with my three piece suit. In 1994 the issue was my long hair flowing free and that agency decreed I had to tie it back. Now its kilts.

    Nothing changes. Power and control...yawn....

    Ron
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    "I'll have a kilt please, a nice hand sewn tartan, 16 ounce Strome. Oh, and a sporran on the side, with a strap please."

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    Taking BEEDEE's suggestion further: if we were to revive Pour 1 Malt's holidays thread (http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/s...ight=holidays), could we come up with general 6-Nations Celtic holidays/festivals that would take in most of the year to help Riverkilt out?

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