What does the "dicing" mean?

**macwilkin** · 18th September 07, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by cacunn

As I looked at this picture I found it interesting the different ways the balmorals are being worn. Some seem to have the crown flat across the head, some are pulled down in the front each seems to be somewhat unique to the wearer. I then think of the beret worn by the US Army. all seem to have been molded over the same frame work. No originality at all.

Actually, a buddy of mine who is in the reserves is forever complaining about the lack of uniformity in how the troops are wearing the berets -- he, being ex-82nd Airborne, shaped his beret following the airborne style, which is similar to the British fashion.

T.

**Nervous Jock** · 18th September 07, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by McG

A believe the dicing o' hats is a regimental thing. Aw scottish regiments wear dicing roon there Glengarry's and a tartan swatch on there TOS (tam o shanter) Fer example the KOSB and Highland regiments hae a Red, white and Green dicing roond there,s. The Argylls wear Red and White. Ma mate has a black and white diced balmoral which a believe wis a Lovat Scout bonnet.

While the New Regiment is standardised if we go back (which I assume you have done because you mentioned KOSB) he Black Watch didn't have dicing round there Glengarry. Like wise no tartan patch.

**Nervous Jock** · 18th September 07, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by cacunn

As I looked at this picture I found it interesting the different ways the balmorals are being worn. Some seem to have the crown flat across the head, some are pulled down in the front each seems to be somewhat unique to the wearer. I then think of the beret worn by the US Army. all seem to have been molded over the same frame work. No originality at all.

I wouldn't have said the styles were that different in the picture most wear then from left to right like a beret. You may notice that the Officers tend to have theirs all the same way and the jocks have the variation.

There was always a variation in the way different regiments wore their ToS. Some like berets others with the fronts pulled straight down and the sides turned up!!

As this looks like a prewar (2) photo you also need to remember there was a damn sight more material in the bunnet then

**Archangel** · 18th September 07, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

...the assigning of certain loyalties to them may be a romantic notion only.

Todd

Gosh, that wouldn't happen with Scottish clothing, would it?

**Oatmeal Savage** · 18th September 07, 01:57 PM

I have heard that black and white dicing means take no prisoners and the white stood for the living, the red the wounded and the black the dead. This is why I posted the question. Thanks cajunscot for the links.

Kevin

Raptor · 18th September 07, 02:06 PM

Then just to confuse the issue, in some regiments wearing dicing depended on your rank...

**campbell** · 19th September 07, 06:45 AM

A diced bonnet means you support the union of the Crowns in the 1700s. It indicates allegiance to the current monarch, HRH Queen Elizabeth II, and the House of Windsor. It is also used by those who are part English to indicate English blood and/or loyalties. I was taught that only sassenachs wear diced bonnets. However, in the U.S. most people do not know or care about British political history. We are Americans. Most of the people who wear diced bonnets just buy them because they feel they are stylish. Because it is no longer political, and seems to be a fashion issue, I would wear a diced bonnet if it matched my tartan.

**macwilkin** · 19th September 07, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by campbell

A diced bonnet means you support the union of the Crowns in the 1700s. It indicates allegiance to the current monarch, HRH Queen Elizabeth II, and the House of Windsor. It is also used by those who are part English to indicate English blood and/or loyalties. I was taught that only sassenachs wear diced bonnets. However, in the U.S. most people do not know or care about British political history. We are Americans. Most of the people who wear diced bonnets just buy them because they feel they are stylish. Because it is no longer political, and seems to be a fashion issue, I would wear a diced bonnet if it matched my tartan.

See my earlier post; what's your documentation for the statement above?

I have never seen anything reliable, save the oft-quoted heresay on the Internet, and we all know how reliable that can be.

If you have a legitmate source that documents this claim, I'd love to see it.

Regards,

Todd

**Archangel** · 19th September 07, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by campbell

A diced bonnet means you support the union of the Crowns in the 1700s. It indicates allegiance to the current monarch, HRH Queen Elizabeth II, and the House of Windsor. It is also used by those who are part English to indicate English blood and/or loyalties. I was taught that only sassenachs wear diced bonnets. However, in the U.S. most people do not know or care about British political history. We are Americans. Most of the people who wear diced bonnets just buy them because they feel they are stylish. Because it is no longer political, and seems to be a fashion issue, I would wear a diced bonnet if it matched my tartan.

Sounds like another wonderful North American invention. Never heard of this or anything like it relating to headgear.

Of course, you could fill many books with the things I've never heard of.

**gilmore** · 19th September 07, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by cajunscot

See my earlier post; what's your documentation for the statement above?

I have never seen anything reliable, save the oft-quoted heresay on the Internet, and we all know how reliable that can be.

If you have a legitmate source that documents this claim, I'd love to see it.

Regards,

Todd

From what Jock said in his post above--that is, that in his part of Scotland dicing = support for the UK government, no dicing = opposition to the UK--- the historical accuracy of this story would seem to be approaching irrelevancy.