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22nd February 08, 01:36 AM
#1
 Originally Posted by beloitpiper
Of course there were Scottish plantation owners, but the Scottish plantation owners would've spoken English. Only the poor (i.e. slaves or sharecroppers) would've spoken Gaelic as their primary language.
This just wasn't true. Read a bit of history, such as that of Cumberland County, North Carolina, and the rest of the Cape Fear River valley.
Whether they spoke Gaelic or not, it was far more likely to have been slave owners who taught their slaves to sing by lining out the hymns than fellow slaves. It was slave owners, not fellow slaves, who determined the religion of the enslaved and how it was practiced.
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21st February 08, 06:34 PM
#2
 Originally Posted by gilmore
While some Scots were indeed transported here as convicts (and by far most who came here were not), they could eventually become liberated, buy land and own slaves themselves. Africans could not.
Well, that isn't entirely correct. In 1650, there were only about 300 "Africans" living in Virginia, about 1% of an estimated 30,000 population. They were not slaves but indentured servants. Some black indentured servants even went on to patent and buy land (& slaves) of their own.
It wasn't until Anthony Johnson (a black man & former indentured servant) that the first recorded instance of slavery (for a lifetime) in the Virginia Colony was established in 1654 (of course this doesn't include the practice by the Spanish further south). In a lawsuit, Anthony Johnson of Northampton County on Virginia's Eastern Shore convinced a court that he was entitled to the lifetime services of John Casor, a black man (this lawsuit created the basis for the "peculiar institution" of slavery that lasted until the American Civil War).
Anthony Johnson had been one of 20 black men brought to Jamestown in 1619 as indentured servants. By 1623, he had achieved his freedom and by 1651 was prosperous enough to import five "servants" of his own, for which he was granted 250 acres as "headrights".
You can read more about Anthony Johnson & John Casor at:
http://nichecreator.com/sample/index...wn%2C_Virginia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Casor
It should be also noted that even up to the American Civil War there were freed blackmen who in turn became plantation owners & had numerous slaves of their own.
Sorry for hijacking the thread...
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22nd February 08, 01:38 AM
#3
 Originally Posted by BoldHighlander
Well, that isn't entirely correct. In 1650, there were only about 300 "Africans" living in Virginia, about 1% of an estimated 30,000 population. They were not slaves but indentured servants. Some black indentured servants even went on to patent and buy land (& slaves) of their own.
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Sorry for hijacking the thread...
My understanding is that the period we are discussing was later than that.
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13th February 08, 04:29 AM
#4
 Originally Posted by beloitpiper
In fact, some slaves only knew Gaelic, connecting with the Scots because of their shared, outlawed culture.
Wasn't this part of the plot of The Fifty-first State?
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14th February 08, 08:01 AM
#5
I didn't realise until I actually listened to it but this is pretty well what is still the format in the "Wee Free" church here in Scotland. Some would describe their outlook as "narrow" but they don't use diabolical musical instruments just this unaccompanied singing. In places like Lewis they still keep the old customs such as not using money or doing any form of work or recreation on the Sabbath and they still don't allow the ferries to run on that day. Buses run but the driver will not take money for the fare - it is left in a dish to be collected the following day. There hasn't been a cinema there for years since it had to close after showing films on a Sunday but, strangely enough, there are some hotels that open and sell alcohol on a Sunday.
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14th February 08, 09:48 AM
#6
 Originally Posted by Phil
I didn't realise until I actually listened to it but this is pretty well what is still the format in the "Wee Free" church here in Scotland.
The recording is from the Free Back Church of Scotland on the Isle of Lewis. The recording isn't old, so yeah it's a current practice.
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21st February 08, 12:39 PM
#7
Not only is this type of 'line singing' still in practice on Lewis, but also in rural Georgia. The practice of having the first voice (the Presenter) start the psalm and then the congregation join in has developed into 'shape-note' singing which is still practiced in some communities near where I live. The similarities of shape-note singing, line-singing by some African-American churches in the south, and the Gaelic psalm singing in the Hebrides is striking.
NPR did a short piece on it, linked below:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4632964
I heard a lecture by Willie Ruff of the Yale School of Music a couple of years ago which detailed what I have written above.
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21st February 08, 01:42 PM
#8
After reading the start of this thread and hearing the short clips on the website, I ordered SALM Vol.1.
It arrived today and I've been enjoying it this evening.
Very nice and restful.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention, beloitpiper.
Tom
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21st February 08, 02:01 PM
#9
This melody is fascinating.
It's worth noting that musical accompaniment was limited during the first millenium of Christianity. The organ was totally banned, due to its ancient connections with brothels. (Just like jazz, eh?)
In my own monastery, there is no organ; everything is sung a cappella. I know what it's like to get thirty men to harmonize!!! 
Also, I couldn't tell from the clip but I wondered if the congregation was repeating what the cantor/leader was singing. That would be the usual method of song for Congregational churches in colonial New England. "Amazing Grace" can still be heard like this.
As regards the use of Gaelic by African slaves, during that same period, Cromwell's troops would routinely seize Irish men, women and youth right off the streets and roads and send them to Barbados as slaves. Almost the entire body of the Catholic clergy of Ireland were shipped off in this way at one point. I've heard it that this accounts for the Barbadian(?) accent.
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