help with 2 surnames

[sirdaniel1975]

The Surnames of Scotland by George F. Black

page 387

Justice. From the office of magistrate. Patrick justice, priest, witnesed instrument of sasine in Perthshire, 1474 (Athole, p. 709), and another Patrick Justyce was tenant of the mill of Kerso,1472 (Cupar-Angus, I, p. 163). The lands of James Justeis and Thomas Justeis in Scone are mentionedin 1491, and Gilbert Justeis witnessed a charter by the abbot of Scone to William Peblis in the same year (Scon, p. 200, 201). The surname is not infrequent in registers relating to the midland counties during the sixteenth century (Nisbet, Plates, p. 152). Adam Justice, portioner of Newbigging, 1624, and seven more are recorded in Lanark Commissariot Record between 1595-1800. Patrick Justice was town-councilor of Perth, 1567 (RPC., I, p. 505), Gavin Justice was indweller in Stirling, 1648 (Inquis., 3483), and Robert Justice was merchant in Glasgow, 1673 (ibid., 5678).

[Kilted Rogue]

I don't know that I would say that I KNOW where they come from, but that I have a very good clue. In genealogical research it's really best to work from the present backward, establishing as solidly as possible one generation before preceding backward in time to the preceding one. Otherwise, if one makes a mistake based on an erronious assumption, years of genealogical work can prove to be worthless to one---or to a relative who has relied on one's work.

You could do as some one in my family did and buy thousands of dollars worth of clan paraphenalia only to discover that it was all based on a mistaken assumption.

I have a cousin who says that he never accepts anything until he can hold in his hands the original document that attests to it.

yes i know. i have been researcheing this for a while now. but thank you for the caveat. I have waited this long to buy anything clan/district specific, i can wait a bit longer. I will stick to universals and solid kilts till i am sure.

Ill wear the kilt do matter the outcome, its to comfy not to wear!

[sirdaniel1975]

The Surnames of Ireland by Edward MacLysaght

page 205

Mahon Much used for Mohan, and for Mahan, occasionally for MacMahon. Bibl. See Maghan and Mohan.

MacMahon Mac Mathghamhna, mod. Mac Mathúna (mathghamhan, bear). The name of two septs, both of importance. That of Thomond descends from Mahon O'Brien, Grandson of Brian Ború. MacMahon ids the most numerous name in County Clare. In later times the majority of the many distinguished men of the name were from the County Monaghan, where MacMahons are numerous today, though less so than in Thomond. Bibl. IF Map Clare and Monaghan.
See Mathews. See p. 304

[Kilted Rogue]

The Surnames of Scotland by George F. Black

page 387

Justice. From the office of magistrate. Patrick justice, priest, witnesed instrument of sasine in Perthshire, 1474 (Athole, p. 709), and another Patrick Justyce was tenant of the mill of Kerso,1472 (Cupar-Angus, I, p. 163). The lands of James Justeis and Thomas Justeis in Scone are mentionedin 1491, and Gilbert Justeis witnessed a charter by the abbot of Scone to William Peblis in the same year (Scon, p. 200, 201). The surname is not infrequent in registers relating to the midland counties during the sixteenth century (Nisbet, Plates, p. 152). Adam Justice, portioner of Newbigging, 1624, and seven more are recorded in Lanark Commissariot Record between 1595-1800. Patrick Justice was town-councilor of Perth, 1567 (RPC., I, p. 505), Gavin Justice was indweller in Stirling, 1648 (Inquis., 3483), and Robert Justice was merchant in Glasgow, 1673 (ibid., 5678).

WOW!!!

what a resource that is!! and with all of those spellings. still i have to find 2 ports ,departure/arrival, and then trace back from the origin in the UK to find a family info. If there is any.

[sirdaniel1975]

The Surnames of Ireland by Edward MacLysaght

page 204

(O) Ma(g)han, Maughan Ó Macháin. Variants of Mohan of Milmacduagh, County Galway. Frequently changed to Mahon.


page 218

(O) Mohan Ó Mócháin.In Connacht, where there are two septs of the name (as Map), it has been widely changed to Mahon. Mohan with its variant Moan, is actually now more numerous in County Monaghan. Mohan is occasionally used for the Norman de Mohun. MIF
Map Galway and Sligo.


page 210

Matthews This English name, Numerous in Ulster and Louth, is used also as a synonym of MacMahon there.

[gilmore]

WOW!!!

what a resource that is!! and with all of those spellings. still i have to find 2 ports ,departure/arrival, and then trace back from the origin in the UK to find a family info. If there is any.

It's really best, less time-consuming, more likely to be relevant, to start in the present and work backward, rather than coming across surnames from several hundred years ago and trying to work forward. E.g., many surnames "daughter out" after some time.

[sirdaniel1975]

It's really best, less time-consuming, more likely to be relevant, to start in the present and work backward, rather than coming across surnames from several hundred years ago and trying to work forward. E.g., many surnames "daughter out" after some time.

Gilmore is absolutely right. Please start with yourself and work one generation at a time. My post is there to say that there are Justice's from Scotland, and a little historical records on some.

[Kilted Rogue]

Gilmore is absolutely right. Please start with yourself and work one generation at a time. My post is there to say that there are Justice's from Scotland, and a little historical records on some.

Sorry you all misunderstood me.

I have been working modern day back. i am now back to the mid 1700's
this is my wifes family i am working on, they kept good records, but most if there info peters out once ppl came over from the old country. In this case one name is from Ireland and one is from scotland so i have been told. i am just trying to add more detail to the oral story.

does anyone know how to find ship manifesto's? the internet is great but half the sites are just adds for Ancestry.com and other are just dead ends.

[gilmore]

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does anyone know how to find ship manifesto's? the internet is great but half the sites are just adds for Ancestry.com and other are just dead ends.

Many of the ships from that period did not have manifests or other records of passengers. However, some did, and there are other lists of emigrants, those transported, and others coming to the Americas. Some of these have been collected and published in book form over the years, and are often available at genealogical libraries, the genealogy sections of public libraries, and often available through the Inter Library Loan program, through which you can request that your local public library be loaned these books from other libraries.

Good luck.