Jacket Buttons

[Jock Scot]

[QUOTE=puffer;700179]IMHO, BUTTONS ARE a critical consideration, yet QUITE often over looked.

Here is my take

1. On TWEEDS = LEATHER covered, as McMurdo suggested. ( but I suggest make them removable for dry cleaning purposes )
Antler, Real is great, but a VERY GOOD faux antler, such as the ones Victoria provides (made by the Capt.) are VERY NICE
Wood is also a good type BUT make them "removable" (see below) Dry cleaning will destroy them.

2. On Dressier, such as Crails etc. = Subdued metal, such as Victoria suggested.
Matching cloth covered


Perhaps I have missed something over the last 60 odd years, But I have always thought the Crail, balmoral and argyll jackets,to name the three main styles of day jacket, was just a variation on the same theme, in other words none are "dressier" than the other. Since when did this new definition come about? Apart from tweed jackets with, say, antler buttons and Black barathea jackets with silver buttons being the difference in formality, of course.

[puffer]

[QUOTE=Jock Scot;700229]

IMHO, BUTTONS ARE a critical consideration, yet QUITE often over looked.

Here is my take

1. On TWEEDS = LEATHER covered, as McMurdo suggested. ( but I suggest make them removable for dry cleaning purposes )
Antler, Real is great, but a VERY GOOD faux antler, such as the ones Victoria provides (made by the Capt.) are VERY NICE
Wood is also a good type BUT make them "removable" (see below) Dry cleaning will destroy them.

2. On Dressier, such as Crails etc. = Subdued metal, such as Victoria suggested.
Matching cloth covered


Perhaps I have missed something over the last 60 odd years, But I have always thought the Crail, balmoral and argyll jackets,to name the three main styles of day jacket, was just a variation on the same theme, in other words none are "dressier" than the other. Since when did this new definition come about? Apart from tweed jackets with, say, antler buttons and Black barathea jackets with silver buttons being the difference in formality, of course.

Joko, no offense but please read my post more carefully.

"2. On Dressier, such as Crails etc"

Puffer

[Jock Scot]

[QUOTE=puffer;700243]

Joko, no offense but please read my post more carefully.

"2. On Dressier, such as Crails etc"

Puffer

No offence taken and I hope none will be given. Alright, I have read your post again and come up with the same question. Since when has a crail jacket been more dressier than any other day jacket? This is no more than an inaccurate modern conceit. The only thing different is the style of cuff,etc. and has absolutely nothing to do with which jacket is dressier than any another day day jacket. It is purely a matter of choice.Nothing more.

[Rob Wright]

Jock, I think it comes from American business wear, different jackets, even though very similar, two button vs three button, for example, are more formal than others based on totally arbitrary distinctions. For many the business wear is the standard that our "fashion" idea's most often come from. So, we see the small differences between, the Argyll, Braemer, & Crail and based on the prevalent attitudes here, we make assumptions. While across the pond all three are for the same purpose the differences are simply tailoring options for the wearer.

Rob

[Jock Scot]

Jock, I think it comes from American business wear, different jackets, even though very similar, two button vs three button, for example, are more formal than others based on totally arbitrary distinctions. For many the business wear is the standard that our "fashion" idea's most often come from. So, we see the small differences between, the Argyll, Braemer, & Crail and based on the prevalent attitudes here, we make assumptions. While across the pond all three are for the same purpose the differences are simply tailoring options for the wearer.

Rob

Thanks for the explanation Rob.Gosh, you all do live very complicated fashion lives over there! However we are talking about kilt attire; thus there is no difference in formality between the argyll, balmoral and the crail jackets, so thank you for confirming that fact.For a second there, I thought I had missed something in the last 60 odd years!

[Rob Wright]

LOL. Well the complications do not arise from the attire, more from the expectations of "those in charge" and what they mandate. There are some corporations that mandate the same dress year round, not just any white shirt will do, or a very specific cut and color of suit is to be worn, tie options are extremely limited.

At the same time much of men's fashion is driven by the idea of "comfort" which creates all kind of unusual garments that are considered to be appropriate.

Just as it is hard for those in the highlands to figure out some of the notions of us over here because you do not have a similar background, it flows the other way as well. Just likes cousins in a family, there are as many interpretations as there are people It takes work to find the common ground

Rob