Clan Chiefs Pleating Preferences

[MacMillan of Rathdown]

Along the same lines of questioning-- I vaguely recall something about the size of the sett being different for chiefs... another raisin in the Victorian pudding, or is there some latent truth to this?

[Jock Scot]

Along the same lines of questioning-- I vaguely recall something about the size of the sett being different for chiefs... another raisin in the Victorian pudding, or is there some latent truth to this?

Like you I think I recall something about this ,but I can't say I have ever seen it ,or, perhaps I have never taken any notice.

There was also a vague suggestion that Clan Chiefs could have their own tartan.Why not? All it takes is a large dose of ego and money! Some one reminded me of this here,a wee while ago, somewhere, where I think it was a Campbell Chief had an extra stripe put into his tartan. I don't think it is in use today. I cannot think of any other Chiefly tartan, although there may be, I suppose.

In both of the above cases, I think they were mainly one of those pretentious figments of the Victorian imagination. Am I wrong?

[raibeart_dubh]

There was also a vague suggestion that Clan Chiefs could have their own tartan.Why not? All it takes is a large dose of ego and money! Some one reminded me of this here,a wee while ago, somewhere, where I think it was a Campbell Chief had an extra stripe put into his tartan. I don't think it is in use today. I cannot think of any other Chiefly tartan, although there may be, I suppose.

I remember what you're talking about. There was a post about Campbell tartans which contained an excerpt from a letter written by the Duke of Argyll on Campbell tartans. He said something about a past chief adding a stripe to create his own chiefly tartan. He went on to say that that was his right as chief but that the rest of the clan thought he was rather pompous for doing so.

[JSFMACLJR]

There was also a vague suggestion that Clan Chiefs could have their own tartan.Why not? All it takes is a large dose of ego and money! Some one reminded me of this here,a wee while ago, somewhere, where I think it was a Campbell Chief had an extra stripe put into his tartan. I don't think it is in use today. I cannot think of any other Chiefly tartan, although there may be, I suppose.

Cameron of Lochiel has a personal tartan, worn only by Lochiel and his immediate family.

[Jock Scot]

Cameron of Lochiel has a personal tartan, worn only by Lochiel and his immediate family.

Good lord! I have never noticed that it is different! Mind you, come to think of it, I think I have only seen "Himself" wearing a Cameron tartan.There should be more than a few to compare, later on in the year, at the Clan gathering.

[Carolina Kiltman]

Since the size of the sett is (usually) dependent on the weight of the fabric, maybe some Clan Chief of the past had chilblains and used a heavier weight fabric for his kilts than most of his clansmen. . . . . . .? (tongue firmly in cheek)

[EagleJCS]

There was also a vague suggestion that Clan Chiefs could have their own tartan. ... I cannot think of any other Chiefly tartan, although there may be, I suppose.

I know Buccleuch (Chief of the Scotts) has "his own" tartan as well, separate from the Scott tartans. Don't know if it's reserved to his family or is available to all Buccleuch's.

[Bruce Scott]

I know Buccleuch (Chief of the Scotts) has "his own" tartan as well, separate from the Scott tartans. Don't know if it's reserved to his family or is available to all Buccleuch's.

Does Buccleuch come up as a surname? I have heard of Buckalew and Bucklew and understand that these are English, and variations of Buckley.

[EagleJCS]

Does Buccleuch come up as a surname? I have heard of Buckalew and Bucklew and understand that these are English, and variations of Buckley.

From what I've been told by members of the Clan Scott Society, Buccleuch (and its variations) is a surname related to the Clan, and was often used as a substitute for Scott (as was Harden, Balwearie, and other related Scott families: "Scott of Harden", "Scott of Balwearie", etc.). Known variations are as follows: Buckloo, Buckalew, Buckelew,Buckellew, Bucklew. (There are probably others, due to phonetic spellings/changes in literacy over the years).

There's a fella on Linked In that's using Scott-Buccleuch' as his last name.

Also, the current Chief of Clan Scott, His Grace the Duke of Buccleuch and Queensberry, has apparently elected - I don't know for certain, it hasn't been announced to the Society - to use the Buccleuch title as his family name (i.e. Richard Buccleuch). The late Duke preferred 'Scott' as his family name, although he was also known as 'Johnny Dalkeith', as Lord Dalkeith was his courtesy title until his father passed away.

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[gilmore]

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There was also a vague suggestion that Clan Chiefs could have their own tartan.Why not? All it takes is a large dose of ego and money! Some one reminded me of this here,a wee while ago, somewhere, where I think it was a Campbell Chief had an extra stripe put into his tartan. I don't think it is in use today. I cannot think of any other Chiefly tartan, although there may be, I suppose....

Doesn't Struan Robertson have a chief's kilt with a white stripe added to Robertson red?