Clothing From Vmac3205

[puffer]

They are both fantastic friends. They came by today to spend time with us. While she was here she dropped off a custom made Montrose jacket. She made a major modification because I'm handicapped. What a wonderful lady.
What is a Crail jacket? I don't think I've ever heard of that before.

I also am PROUD to be able to call Her & the "Capt." FRIENDS.

A "CRAIL JACKET" is a "dressier" style jacket. Usually with out "cuffs ( although , some call a version of a "Braemar" ( cuffed" a CRAIL.

Here is the CRAIL, Victoria converted for me.



Puffer

[McMurdo]

They are both fantastic friends. They came by today to spend time with us. While she was here she dropped off a custom made Montrose jacket. She made a major modification because I'm handicapped. What a wonderful lady.
What is a Crail jacket? I don't think I've ever heard of that before.

Here are the three most popular types of Day wear jacket


Argyll Jackets
The Argyll day/evening jacket is versatile, altering its formality with accessories.
Suitable for all occasions, from dinners and Burns Suppers, balls and ceilidhs, to weddings, graduations,
Highland games or simply as general day wear. The brown Argyll I'm wearing here is definitely day wear, though the style could work at more formal occasions depending on the material used.



Braemar Jackets
Similar to the Argyll jacket, but with more formal Prince Charlie style cuffs,
the versatile Braemar can alter its formality by changing accessories.
Suitable for all occasions, from dinners and dances, to graduations and weddings,
or simply as smart day wear.


Crail Jackets
Similar to the Argyll jacket, but with less formal plain cuffs, the day/evening wear Crail outfit
is often seen at events such as ceilidhs, games, or simply as general office or day wear.
Also suitable for wedding guests too.


I hope this helps.

[KFCarter]

How much to short is it? I'll have to get another one. Thanks for noticing.

I believe you'll want your waistcoat and PC jacket to both come down far enough to overlap the top of your kilt so that none of your shirt shows between the bottom of you PC and the top of the kilt.

[puffer]

Here are the three most popular types of Day wear jacket


Argyll Jackets
The Argyll day/evening jacket is versatile, altering its formality with accessories.
Suitable for all occasions, from dinners and Burns Suppers, balls and ceilidhs, to weddings, graduations,
Highland games or simply as general day wear.



Braemar Jackets
Similar to the Argyll jacket, but with more formal Prince Charlie style cuffs,
the versatile Braemar can alter its formality by changing accessories.
Suitable for all occasions, from dinners and dances, to graduations and weddings,
or simply as smart day wear.


Crail Jackets
Similar to the Argyll jacket, but with less formal plain cuffs, the day/evening wear Crail outfit
is often seen at events such as ceilidhs, games, or simply as general office or day wear.
Also suitable for wedding guests too.


I hope this helps.

I would RESPECTIVELY" disagree with the "dressiness" of the three jackets. The Argyll in Particular.

NOTE THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE & is from the POSITION of what is ACCEPTED DRESS by my PEERS. ( Corporate Businessmen, County & State Management, etc.) & is in relationship to Jackets in general, which I EQUATE to Kilt Jackets. ( note- I wear my jackets in various circumstances from "Casual Business to "Dress Business" (Corporate meetings, Board meetings,etc.) I also "dine out" ( Casual Dinner to Dressier Diners (non formal))

The ARGYLL Jacket, IMHO, is equivalent to a SPORTS JACKET. A TWEED is a TWEED, whether worn with a Kilt or Dockers/ nice slacks. Even this Jacket with a vest, would be classified as a "Blazer"
If I wore these in "Dressier situations, my Peers would consider me not "properly Attired, Kilt or NOT. Also if I escorted my Daughter to a Play & Dinner ( Dressier but not formal) She would be "embarrassed"

The more proper Jacket for "dressier occasions", IMHO, would be either the "Braermar" or IMHO, the Crail. ( Think 3 pc Suit)

Respectively, Puffer

[duchessofnc]

Puffer! With all due respect, a jacket, and a tie...such as the images that McMurdo posted are appropriate business to business casual attire. It's appropriate for church, a court appearance, or a business meeting. I've been in the business world on a corporate level with mandatory dress codes. I know what I'm talking about. I've been a hiring manager and I wouldn't interview someone who didn't show up addressed appropriately.

If your peers are expecting more than for example McMurdo in his Bremer or him in his Argyll with dress shirt and tie for a business meeting than I don't know what more can be done to satisfy them short of an Armani suit which would defeat the whole purpose of Highland attire. Furthermore, I've seen at corporate level business events; jackets that are the similar cut as the Argyle are more than acceptable. But that's my personal opinion.

[McMurdo]

I would RESPECTIVELY" disagree with the "dressiness" of the three jackets. The Argyll in Particular.

NOTE THIS IS MY PERSPECTIVE & is from the POSITION of what is ACCEPTED DRESS by my PEERS. ( Corporate Businessmen, County & State Management, etc.) & is in relationship to Jackets in general, which I EQUATE to Kilt Jackets. ( note- I wear my jackets in various circumstances from "Casual Business to "Dress Business" (Corporate meetings, Board meetings,etc.) I also "dine out" ( Casual Dinner to Dressier Diners (non formal))

The ARGYLL Jacket, IMHO, is equivalent to a SPORTS JACKET. A TWEED is a TWEED, whether worn with a Kilt or Dockers/ nice slacks. Even this Jacket with a vest, would be classified as a "Blazer"
If I wore these in "Dressier situations, my Peers would consider me not "properly Attired, Kilt or NOT. Also if I escorted my Daughter to a Play & Dinner ( Dressier but not formal) She would be "embarrassed"

The more proper Jacket for "dressier occasions", IMHO, would be either the "Braermar" or IMHO, the Crail. ( Think 3 pc Suit)

Respectively, Puffer

Puffer
I too wear the Braemar and Argyll jackets pictured to business meetings, to going out for dinner, etc. I do say in my original post that the Argyll pictured is indeed day wear only as I see it. Respectfully you can have any opinion you want, however we are still talking about Highland Attire, whether your peers know highland attire or not should not come into the equation. The verbiage I quoted is from Scotweb, they certainly know Highland Attire. It is their opinion and the opinion of many other including myself that I have posted. Like it or not there are rules to Traditional Highland attire, as was posted in an earlier thread Highland Attire should be the same anywhere in the world except where the weather would preclude it.

[JSFMACLJR]

I believe you'll want your waistcoat and PC jacket to both come down far enough to overlap the top of your kilt so that none of your shirt shows between the bottom of you PC and the top of the kilt.

Exactly.

[puffer]

Puffer
I too wear the Braemar and Argyll jackets pictured to business meetings, to going out for dinner, etc. I do say in my original post that the Argyll pictured is indeed day wear only as I see it. Respectfully you can have any opinion you want, however we are still talking about Highland Attire, whether your peers know highland attire or not should not come into the equation. The verbiage I quoted is from Scotweb, they certainly know Highland Attire. It is their opinion and the opinion of many other including myself that I have posted. Like it or not there are rules to Traditional Highland attire, as was posted in an earlier thread Highland Attire should be the same anywhere in the world except where the weather would preclude it.

Glen, I respect, your & others, positions on "Highland Attire" Perhaps our "discussion would be better in a new POST, so we do not "hijack" this one. I for one, apologise to the original poster, for going down this trail.

Glen, perhaps you would PM me as to where to start a discussion ??

Puffer

[McMurdo]

Fair enough. I have posted a new topic in Kilt Accessories

http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/k...x.html?t=48791

[billmcc]

I believe you'll want your waistcoat and PC jacket to both come down far enough to overlap the top of your kilt so that none of your shirt shows between the bottom of you PC and the top of the kilt.

I also agree. However, the length of the waistcoat and PC jacket may not be the problem. It appears the top of wlverines' kilt is too low.

wlverines, where in relation to our navel is the top edge of your kilt in that picture?