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    I agree with Rex on this one, we should just allow this to be his choice. If it is his belief, so be it."I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" Remember? It even boils down to his right to chose a kilt and kilt maker!
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    Is it pleated in the back? Overlapping aprons in the front? Then, it's a kilt. Now, I am not personally a fan of the utilikilt. It is the cargo pants to my khaki pants. I wear khaki pants, but not cargo pants. I wear "normal" kilts, not utilikilts. But they are still kilts.

    Now, I have a good friend who completely disagrees with me and calls a utilikilt not just a skirt, but an affront to nature. But she's Irish, so we can forgive her. :-)

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    Is a V6 Mustang really a sports car? It sure isn't a Lotus or Aston Martin, but it is an entry level sports car that fits the niche for many people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rex_Tremende View Post
    This debate rarely ends well here. You can bet that by the end of it, someone in one camp or the other will decide XMTS is too [narrow-minded|iconoclast], and will never return. This forum is littered with dead threads on this subject locked down because all they generated after two or three cycles was all heat and no light.
    Rex is unfortunately correct here. These conversation never end well on this board and we should move on.

    In my opinion, the only thing that matters here is that now you know what his requirements are, and if he's serious about getting a kilt, you can use the wisdom found here to guide him to a kiltmaker who will satisfy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by george7 View Post
    Is a V6 Mustang really a sports car?
    NOW you've done it! Wars have been started over less

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    Quote Originally Posted by JolyStNicholas View Post
    I agree with Rex on this one, we should just allow this to be his choice. If it is his belief, so be it."I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" Remember? It even boils down to his right to chose a kilt and kilt maker!
    I feel the same as you, Joly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george7 View Post
    Is a V6 Mustang really a sports car? It sure isn't a Lotus or Aston Martin, but it is an entry level sports car that fits the niche for many people.
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    NOW you've done it! Wars have been started over less
    Gentlemen: As Splash4 has pointed out, this thread has the potential to go off the rails very quickly.

    Staying on topic is the best way to ensure a civilized debate. Neither of these posts really contributes anything to the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BEEDEE View Post
    Gentlemen: As Splash4 has pointed out, this thread has the potential to go off the rails very quickly.

    Staying on topic is the best way to ensure a civilized debate. Neither of these posts really contributes anything to the subject.

    Brian
    While I fully admit that my comment was fairly frivolous, I respectfully disagree that george7's post did not contribute. I think george's makes a good point: The V6 mustang could be construed as the "utilikilt of the sports car world". The V6 mustang, while not at the same price level or performance level as a ferarri is still in the same family. Similarly, just because a utilikilt (or the like) may be less expensive than a full 8 yd 16 oz hand sewn from Scotland does not make it any less a kilt.

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    It's his choice... But the others have their place in the market...
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    Pleats in back, apron in front knee length= Scottish Kilt Pattern. Cloth is Tartan.
    As above, but in other fabrics is still a Kilt.

    Ancient Egyptian Kilts (so termed by Archaeologists) were more a wrap-around and knee or even upper thigh length. No pleats nor apron

    Greek & Roman, also no pleats nor apron. but also short.

    So, there is indeed a difference in these national styles, but to me, Kilts they are.

    Longer, as in South Pacific is a different garment altogether, but the whole lot also qualify as 'Skirts' for men.
    (Anyone who disagrees with me shall be dealt with severely, I have connections!!)

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