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22nd April 11, 04:26 PM
#11
I suppose I can make a couple of guesses and one non-guess.
Use: indeterminate
Date: 1790-1820
Location: Atholl
I don't really have any strong reasons for my guesses, just slight hunches.
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23rd April 11, 01:35 PM
#12
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Morris at Heathfield
I suppose I can make a couple of guesses and one non-guess.
Use: indeterminate
Date: 1790-1820
Location: Atholl
I don't really have any strong reasons for my guesses, just slight hunches.
Not sure which are the guesses and which the non-guess but they're all off the mark.
Use: Can by surmised.
Date: Too late by 40-50 years at least.
Location: Probably too far east.
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23rd April 11, 04:11 PM
#13
Why aren't these things ever as easy as "Somebody was making a vest and had this left over; for some reason, it never got thrown out"? Heh... ![Very Happy](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
I really have no idea about it, save the obvious things that have already been brought up.
It's a neat old piece of cloth, though... probably a fairly rare one too, I should think, based on its presence here and the supposed age.
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25th April 11, 01:03 PM
#14
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by figheadair
Not sure which are the guesses and which the non-guess but they're all off the mark.
Use: Can by surmised.
Date: Too late by 40-50 years at least.
Location: Probably too far east.
The non-guess was the first one, although I suppose "indeterminate" is itself a hypothesis.
All right, new guesses:
Use: belted plaid (if for no other reason than to eliminate it from the list of possibilities)
Date: ca. 1746
Location: Appin
I feel like I'm playing Battleship.
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25th April 11, 01:25 PM
#15
I love puzzles, but have no idea how to proceed on yours. They're just too hard! West of Athol? Grant, Fraser?
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26th April 11, 10:08 PM
#16
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Morris at Heathfield
The non-guess was the first one, although I suppose "indeterminate" is itself a hypothesis.
All right, new guesses:
Use: belted plaid (if for no other reason than to eliminate it from the list of possibilities)
Date: ca. 1746
Location: Appin
I feel like I'm playing Battleship. ![Razz](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
F4!
No, seriously, you're very close.
Use: Probably, certainly a plaid.
Date: Give or take 20 years.
Location: Certainly west of the Highland Fault Line.
I'll run up a little paper on the piece and get it up loaded this week.
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27th April 11, 11:02 AM
#17
"Certainly" sounds like it might be far. Outer Hebrides?
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29th April 11, 09:37 AM
#18
It's just about the end of the month and I'm heading for the hills tomorrow so here's the answer.
http://www.scottishtartans.co.uk/Unn...ury_Plaid1.pdf
I've a treat for May .
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29th April 11, 04:18 PM
#19
So in actual fact, the piece of tartan is of indeterminate use, estimated date and unknown location?
How can anyone say that anyone else's answers are incorrect if the person who wote the paper relied on "gut feeling" and conjecture?
For those who understand, no explanation is necessary; for those who don't, none is possible.
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29th April 11, 07:41 PM
#20
![Quote](http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Danwell
So in actual fact, the piece of tartan is of indeterminate use, estimated date and unknown location?
How can anyone say that anyone else's answers are incorrect if the person who wote the paper relied on "gut feeling" and conjecture?
Because some of the answers were way off the mark. Knowing what something isn't is often easier than being able to say exactly what it is. So for example; it's not a sample swatch (#2), definitely not as late as c1790-1820 (#11) because the structual techniques had completely disappeared by then.
Sometimes though one has to make an educated guess but deduction based on observaton, in this case of similar artefacts and knowing something of the original collector's work, is probably more credible than simply sticking a pin in the map so to speak.
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